That does not touch Ekholm. They can trade him for a 1st and decent exempt prospect. Pair of stiffs does not cut it.

1.5 years of Hertl isn’t worth giving up Necas

As far as I’m concerned you have a deal with the Avalanche

I think you are undervaluing these "Stiffs".

I figured it might be a tough sell there.

Nope. They are not even close to Ekholm value. Ekholm is #2/3. Simek is 4/5. BP is iffy to make it to the NHL.

unless your sending a blue chip goalie prospect MB doesnt answer the phone again

Tampa Bay says no thanks TJ will be Seattle's pick

Calling Simek a #4/5 is generous TBH.

NSH doesn't remotely consider this.

Why Bergevin would even entertain this idea? A premium goalie prospect for marginal players (who by the way wouldn't even crack MTL top 10 prospect list)

Simek is a 28 year old, bottom-pairing defenseman with 100 games of NHL experience... this is so far removed from what an actual Ekholm trade would look like.

Ya i was being kind.

You can pay them to take him sure.

Johnson is a necessity currently with Cirelli out, and Kucherov is out for the regular season, so, cap is not a concern. No deal involving Johnson will happen until the season is over.

I guess you are right Simeks analytics are much worse then I was expecting.

Nashville is likely to 8-1 and protect 4 d men anyway. Only way they lose Ekholm is by choice.

You are still going to pay to move him this way you get some assets. Sorry double post

As someone else noted he currently is needed and he's been a really good playoff player. Give up on the assets for the b2b run

Respect not wanting to do this trade cause it’s just very lopsided against NSH but clearly none of you have actually watched or know anything about Simek lol

3rd pair guy on any decent team. If he’s playing 2nd pair....you are in deep trouble.

Can you help me understand where you're coming from?

A 2nd round pick is nice and all, but Jost is the teams best PKer and is extremely responsible defensively at 5v5. You know exactly what you get with him which makes him an easy player to have on your 4th line. Plus he's really cheap.

Swapping Jost for Donato arguably doesn't really help the Avs win this season either, specifically as it weakens the PK (Donato doesn't PK). Donato looked good against Colorado in the 1st game (eg. 63% corsi) but he's unlikely to play on a scoring line in Colorado and I'm not sure he's a good fit on the 4th line stylistically. He's also twice as expensive.

That said, if you tell me that the 2nd rounder gets repackaged and used to get a legit 3C then I'm with you. For example, Jost for Donato + 3C, that's not bad.

This would also depend on how much money Donato and Jost are going to be looking for in the offseason. If Jost is looking likely to sign another sub-$1m deal then I'd be extremely reluctant to trade him, because that's just great value on the 4th line and PK.

Again though, I'm all ears and open to being convinced...

I mean sure If you have a deep lineup? He's kind of like Marc Methot. One of those guys where there's not much there in the way of offense but playing him top pairing minutes with someone like Burns and/or Karlsson is where he belongs. Sharks suck this year but as he gets more and more ice time he just gets more and more solid. He's much better than y'all are suggesting.

Jost right now gets protected for a number of reasons not the least of which is that he is killing it defensively and on the PK. COL right now is more interested in what them win right now and Donato isn’t an upgrade on Jost.

My thoughts:
Yes the second round pick is great and all and it is true Jost is off to a good start and will be the best PKer until Calvert comes back.

For Donato, he still has some upside and is a solid bottom 6 forward. And something I was thinking, idk if this is true but maybe just maybe Seattle shows some interest and select Donato especially if he has performs well, then the Avalanche could keep Graves.

But in general I feel this is an upgrade for the Avalanche and could help them win.

Yeah, right now Jost would be the 7th forward protected, partly because he's good, but also because his caphit is lower than Donskoi/Compher so it just makes sense to funnel Seattle towards one of those two instead.


Calvert isn't really that good of a PKer imo. Jost and Nichuskin are better. But Calvert is certainly better than Donskoi or Compher on the PK.

Donato has some upside sure, but he wouldn't be as good of a fit in the 4th line role as Jost is.

If Donato was a great skater maybe I could see the attraction but he's not.

The best part of the deal for the Avs is certainly the 2nd, which could be a very high 2nd the way SJ are trending, but Avs shouldn't really be interested in making moves for futures right now.