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Granlund for Vesey plus

Created by: Trickster
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 17, 2021
Published: Feb. 17, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Haven't done this in a while.
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Would this be enough to acquire a pending UFA?
Trades
TOR
  1. Granlund, Mikael ($1,875,000 retained)
NSH
  1. Kara, Vladislav [Reserve List]
  2. Vesey, Jimmy
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (TOR)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$80,699,741$0$0$800,259
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$700,000$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 4
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
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$1,645,000$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
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$1,875,000$1,875,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$725,000$725,000
G
UFA - 2
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$874,125$874,125
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RW
RFA - 3
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RW
UFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD
UFA - 1

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Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:09 p.m.
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I’m pretty sure Nashville tells you to pound it if you offer them Vesey. You know he kinda told them to shove it and that he wouldn’t play for them right?
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Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:11 p.m.
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Vesey's not worth anything.

Hahaha, just kidding actually. The king would require several firsts from Nashville.
Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:11 p.m.
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Vesey isn’t worth the dirt on my boots
Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:13 p.m.
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Quoting: MOTDux
Vesey isn’t worth the dirt on my boots


Good thing you deleted those Shattenkirk trades quickly, those were atrocious
Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:13 p.m.
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Not even close
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Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:15 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsfanMathews
Good thing you deleted those Shattenkirk trades quickly, those were atrocious


Just as atrocious as this. Maybe he should do the same.
Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:15 p.m.
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I forgot the Nashville Vesey thing.

But besides that I just don't see any value for Nashville here.

So they're retaining to pay Vesey more. He's the inferior player. By far.

Granlund was a c earlier in his career so that flexibility has value. He's also pushed ppg at his best and remained productive always.

A 3rd and a meh at best prospect?

Simply put why?
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Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:16 p.m.
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Due to cap, need to include Vesey.
I think a conditional 2nd rounder instead of 3rd would be enough no?
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Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: MOTDux
Just as atrocious as this. Maybe he should do the same.


Yup, everyone does it. I believe it’s “the pot calling the kettle black”.
Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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I forgot the Nashville Vesey thing.

But besides that I just don't see any value for Nashville here.

So they're retaining to pay Vesey more. He's the inferior player. By far.

Granlund was a c earlier in his career so that flexibility has value. He's also pushed ppg at his best and remained productive always.

A 3rd and a meh at best prospect?

Simply put why?


My thought is we need a different FW on that 3rd line, maybe even occasionally play up a bit.


Grandlund needs a change in scenery to me.
Feb. 17, 2021 at 1:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Trickster
Due to cap, need to include Vesey.
I think a conditional 2nd rounder instead of 3rd would be enough no?


They can just waive vesey. Doesn’t count against the cap while on the taxi squad.
Feb. 17, 2021 at 2:30 p.m.
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My thought is we need a different FW on that 3rd line, maybe even occasionally play up a bit.


Grandlund needs a change in scenery to me.


No I see why the Leafs benefit hugely. My question of why is why for Nashville. They get so little
Feb. 17, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.
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No I see why the Leafs benefit hugely. My question of why is why for Nashville. They get so little


What do you think is fair value for a pending UFA?
Feb. 17, 2021 at 7:10 p.m.
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What do you think is fair value for a pending UFA?


That's a silly way to look at it.

He was signed like 2 months ago. Every pending Ufa is different. From trading Hall to trading Vesey they're both pending UFAs.

Anyway there are two things to think about:

What is a player worth in general (what's a 50-60 point winger who can play c worth for 1/2 a season in their prime)

AND

What's he worth to the organization he's currently with.

Nashville is 3 games below 500 but it's early in the season.

Right now he's a decent forward. Replacing him with Vesey and eating cap is worth a tonne more than a third and a meh prospect.

He's probably worth a second plus without retention.
 
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