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Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:11 p.m.
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One bad game and this is a predictable response from leaf haters. No hate but you hate the Leafs and want them to lose.


Even if it hate a team, I’ll still say they might win it all if I believed they could. I really believe this team can’t. They’re not firing on all cylinders and have never showed that ability
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:12 p.m.
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I’m actually not bitter. I’ll take another top 5 pick. We need Dylan Guenther or Kent Johnson. And half our future team is still developing. I think Sens will be better than the Leafs in 2-3 years


I'm sure you do
Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:12 p.m.
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I'm sure you do


Good luck with aging Muzzin and Tavares in 2 years. And having to re-sign Rielly to a horrible contract
Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:14 p.m.
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Good luck with aging Muzzin and Tavares in 2 years. And having to re-sign Rielly to a horrible contract


good luck with that murray contract and your star players wanting out like always because they come in last year after year and eugene is too cheap to pay them
Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:24 p.m.
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Thread is really the essence of CapFriendly. Everyone just trying to get under everyone elses skin.
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.
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Even if it hate a team, I’ll still say they might win it all if I believed they could. I really believe this team can’t. They’re not firing on all cylinders and have never showed that ability


Checks standings, first overall.....hmmm what would it look like when they do fire on all cylinders?
Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:38 p.m.
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If you struggle against Ottawa, you ain't no contender. No offense to sens fans.


I did some research and jeez what a surprise. It is actually possible for good teams to have a bad game every once and a while.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:57 p.m.
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This may go down as the biggest load of **** I have ever read. Unreal.


tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy
Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:58 p.m.
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You have Lou as your profile pick, that says all that is needed to be said. How's 1995 treating you?


1967
Feb. 18, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
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What a ****ing joke. This guy "we need more Shayne Corson's!"


tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy Need brad Marchands. Patrice Bergerons. Johnathan Toews'. Ryan O'Riellys. Tkatchuks. Kadri's. Close tho.
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.
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1967


What does that matter? It's 2021? All that matters is what's ahead not behind. It's not the dead puck era anymore.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.
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tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy Need brad Marchands. Patrice Bergerons. Johnathan Toews'. Ryan O'Riellys. Tkatchuks. Kadri's. Close tho.


We have Matthews, better than all of them. We have him. Just go cheer for Boston then ya cement head
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:01 p.m.
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Even if it hate a team, I’ll still say they might win it all if I believed they could. I really believe this team can’t. They’re not firing on all cylinders and have never showed that ability


Find me a stretch where this team has been dominant for more than 3 games in a row. You can't. Inconsistent. Lack of leadership. Falls squarely on the captain (one of the worst Captains in the league IMO).
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:01 p.m.
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Good luck with aging Muzzin and Tavares in 2 years. And having to re-sign Rielly to a horrible contract


Hey Reilly is good. One of our only bright spots on D
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:05 p.m.
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What does that matter? It's 2021? All that matters is what's ahead not behind. It's not the dead puck era anymore.


What does your moronic comment of 1995 matter? When advanced stats and fancy analytics start winning cups then come talk to me. What did Tampa have to do to win? Get tougher and harder to play against. St.Louis? Straight up bullies. Washington? Got tougher. The Blackhawks and Kings era? Those teams BATTLED. Take your numbers and shove them up ur u know what. They have their place but they aren't the end all be all to building a team. Seems like Dubas has finally somewhat saw the light this year adding guys like Simmonds for toughness and Thornton for leadership. Need more tho. And not old players on their way out. Need more Zach Hyman type guys less Bill Nye type guys.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:06 p.m.
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We have Matthews, better than all of them. We have him. Just go cheer for Boston then ya cement head


You're such a doorknob man. Matthews is fricken awesome. I agree. He isn't enough. Need more Hyman type players less Bill Nye's. Matthews and Marner are your key pieces. Build around them with players not like them. We don't need every winger to be fast and skilled. It's okay to have a couple Blake Coleman type guys in the lineup.
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:12 p.m.
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What does your moronic comment of 1995 matter? When advanced stats and fancy analytics start winning cups then come talk to me. What did Tampa have to do to win? Get tougher and harder to play against. St.Louis? Straight up bullies. Washington? Got tougher. The Blackhawks and Kings era? Those teams BATTLED. Take your numbers and shove them up ur u know what. They have their place but they aren't the end all be all to building a team. Seems like Dubas has finally somewhat saw the light this year adding guys like Simmonds for toughness and Thornton for leadership. Need more tho. And not old players on their way out. Need more Zach Hyman type guys less Bill Nye type guys.


We should trade for Martin and any other 4th line goon and get rid of anyone who has skill. Why? Because this ****ing joke loves watching hits because he's too thick to see anything beyond that. You are the worst type of hockey fan.b
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:15 p.m.
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You're such a doorknob man. Matthews is fricken awesome. I agree. He isn't enough. Need more Hyman type players less Bill Nye's. Matthews and Marner are your key pieces. Build around them with players not like them. We don't need every winger to be fast and skilled. It's okay to have a couple Blake Coleman type guys in the lineup.


Yeah Hyman has totally won so many cups and has so much production in the playoffs. He totally has won so much. Oh wait, no he hasn't. But he tries hard in the only way people as moronic as you can understand, he hits sometimes. Teams win by have the right mix to survive the playoffs not a bunch of grinders. Ovie carried his team to the cup, so did Crosby, Toews and Kane, Point, Kucherov and Hedman etc etc. Stars win and they win when they learn what is needed to enforce their will and when they have the right supporting cast. Getting rid of stars for do nothing grinders doesn't win. Tampa didn't trade Point to get some 4th line hitter. They added some grit and developed their own desire to win. I know it's hard to understand for someone who still thinks it's the dead puck era.
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:22 p.m.
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We should trade for Martin and any other 4th line goon and get rid of anyone who has skill. Why? Because this ****ing joke loves watching hits because he's too thick to see anything beyond that. You are the worst type of hockey fan.b


tears of joy tears of joy You're such a tool. You won't find a guy who hates Matt Martin more than I do. I want players with toughness not tough guys who can't play. Need a zach Hyman type guy on every line and 3 of em on your bottom 6. Matt Martin is garbage. So is Nylander. Different garbage but both garbage for different reasons. You are such a typical Leafs fan it is hilarious. I really should quit cheering for this team so I can stopped being lumped in with morons like you. No wonder everyone hates Leaf fans. You are the epitome of an annoying, stupid, naive Leaf fan.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:23 p.m.
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Yeah Hyman has totally won so many cups and has so much production in the playoffs. He totally has won so much. Oh wait, no he hasn't. But he tries hard in the only way people as moronic as you can understand, he hits sometimes. Teams win by have the right mix to survive the playoffs not a bunch of grinders. Ovie carried his team to the cup, so did Crosby, Toews and Kane, Point, Kucherov and Hedman etc etc. Stars win and they win when they learn what is needed to enforce their will and when they have the right supporting cast. Getting rid of stars for do nothing grinders doesn't win. Tampa didn't trade Point to get some 4th line hitter. They added some grit and developed their own desire to win. I know it's hard to understand for someone who still thinks it's the dead puck era.


He hasn't won because he's stuck on a team with a bunch of losers like Nylander and Tavares tears of joy

This is one of the smartest things you've said yet. Actually agree with some of it. So we agree the stars (Tavares/Nylander) are the problem. And when are they going to change? Tavares is 30 time's up. Can't change that guy. BORN LOSER.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:25 p.m.
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tears of joy tears of joy You're such a tool. You won't find a guy who hates Matt Martin more than I do. I want players with toughness not tough guys who can't play. Need a zach Hyman type guy on every line and 3 of em on your bottom 6. Matt Martin is garbage. So is Nylander. Different garbage but both garbage for different reasons. You are such a typical Leafs fan it is hilarious. I really should quit cheering for this team so I can stopped being lumped in with morons like you. No wonder everyone hates Leaf fans. You are the epitome of an annoying, stupid, naive Leaf fan.


Because I think Nylander is a good player. You are such a joke. You literally have said you can only win with guys like Hyman and Kadri who helped TO to zero first round victories. Further to that, Kadri (your golden boy) has in fact cost us 2 first round losses due to his brilliant tough guy play. You are as simple as you are ignorant which is massive.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:26 p.m.
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good luck with that murray contract and your star players wanting out like always because they come in last year after year and eugene is too cheap to pay them


Murray and Zaitsev expire in 4 years. No issue
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:27 p.m.
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Because I think Nylander is a good player. You are such a joke. You literally have said you can only win with guys like Hyman and Kadri who helped TO to zero first round victories. Further to that, Kadri (your golden boy) has in fact cost us 2 first round losses due to his brilliant tough guy play. You are as simple as you are ignorant which is massive.


If you can honestly rationalize in your head that both of those game 7 collapses were Kadri's fault (1 of which he played in) you are truly even more delusional than I could have imagined. Would they have won either series with kadri not getting suspended? Unlikely. Those teams were so flawed the D was HORRENDOUS back then. The first year they were lucky to make it to game 7 and the second year they played so pathetically god awful in game 7 it was an absolute embarassment. The team is so fragile. One bad thing happens in a game and the world collapses they quit. No leadership. None. Matthews and Reilly are the only two who show any leadership capabilities. Tavares getting the C over both of them was a joke. Similar to the way that your opinions are a joke.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:28 p.m.
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He hasn't won because he's stuck on a team with a bunch of losers like Nylander and Tavares tears of joy

This is one of the smartest things you've said yet. Actually agree with some of it. So we agree the stars (Tavares/Nylander) are the problem. And when are they going to change? Tavares is 30 time's up. Can't change that guy. BORN LOSER.


No one said the stars are the problem you of course bend reality to make your feeble ego feel better. JT, Nylander, Matthews and Marner will lead the team to a cup. Not Hyman, Simmonds or Bogosian. They will be helpful foot soldiers but will by the end only have fleeting moments of success while the stars make it all happen. You are exactly the fan that leads to guys like Fernando Pisani becoming legends. 4th line nobodies who have a hot streak in the playoffs who then are royalty that needs to be paid because you win with them. Immediately it's proven wrong because those guys don't do much on their own.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.
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Murray and Zaitsev expire in 4 years. No issue


Murray gets a rough shake, he hasn't been a problem for you guys.
 
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