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Created by: oilersfan150
Team: 2020-21 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 18, 2021
Published: Feb. 18, 2021
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  1. Broberg, Philip
  2. Koskinen, Mikko
  3. 2021 1st round pick (EDM)
  4. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
  5. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
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2021
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2022
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2023
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20$81,500,000$76,749,032$341,534$1,230,000$4,750,968
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 6
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$1,175,000$1,175,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$975,000$975,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 5
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$230,000$230K)
RW
RFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$2,150,000$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,600,000$5,600,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 1
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
G
UFA - 7
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$850,000$850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
G
NTC
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RD
RFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 4
Taxi Squad
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$5,750,000$5,750,000 ($4,675,000$5M$4,675,000$5M)
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$875,000$875,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
UFA - 1
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$745,000$745,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
G
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RW
UFA - 1
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$915,000$915,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000 ($2,925,000$3M$2,925,000$3M)
LD/RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$725,000$725,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD/RD
UFA - 2

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Feb. 18, 2021 at 8:09 p.m.
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fair tbh. maybe a SLIGHT overpayment just un the fact that goalies go for less tthan marcket value
Feb. 18, 2021 at 8:11 p.m.
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I figure Broberg and a 1st is the starting point for sure. To add Koski is a big bonus for our cap, so the other 1st makes sense. The 2nd might be the overpayment, perhaps a guy like Benson instead, he'd get on Anaheim's roster now and probably have a good shot at growing into a middle 6 winger that he won't get in Edmonton most likely.

If we do this I'd like to see Barrie out for some picks a the deadline too while his value appears high, need some kind of future and I don't want him resigned lol. Bouchard will take that role just fine soon, and Jones and Lagesson can both play spot duty on the right side when injuries hit.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 8:11 p.m.
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We don't need draft picks. We would only be trading Gibson to address all three of our shortcomings: lack of offense, lack of talent at RW, and lack of depth at RD. That's why any such trade would have to involve actual players like Holloway or Lavoie, Bear or Bouchard, and someone to replace Gibson either now or later. A 2021 first is also required simply because Gibson is signed for six more years. We are looking for real solutions, not futures.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 8:14 p.m.
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fair tbh. maybe a SLIGHT overpayment just un the fact that goalies go for less tthan marcket value


Please provide the actual evidence for your statement that "goalies go for less than market value," an oft-repeated canard with no basis in fact. While you're at it, please explain why you think the generalization of "goalies" applies to one of the top 5 goaltenders in the NHL.
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 8:17 p.m.
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I figure Broberg and a 1st is the starting point for sure. To add Koski is a big bonus for our cap, so the other 1st makes sense. The 2nd might be the overpayment, perhaps a guy like Benson instead, he'd get on Anaheim's roster now and probably have a good shot at growing into a middle 6 winger that he won't get in Edmonton most likely.

If we do this I'd like to see Barrie out for some picks a the deadline too while his value appears high, need some kind of future and I don't want him resigned lol. Bouchard will take that role just fine soon, and Jones and Lagesson can both play spot duty on the right side when injuries hit.


We have no interest in Broberg.

Benson wouldn't play ahead of Comtois, Jones, Heinen or Milano. Besides, you can't trade him -- he's from Edmonton.

The offer of three draft picks is a non-starter. We want actual players or prospects from last year's draft or earlier.
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 8:18 p.m.
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Seeing how much prospect ANA already has, I think should they move Gibson, they want NHL ready assets, and preferably forwards at that.

Imo it starts with Yamamoto, and then some. I'd probably initially ask for Draisaitl, but we all know EDM's not agreeing to this.
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 8:34 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Please provide the actual evidence for your statement that "goalies go for less than market value," an oft-repeated canard with no basis in fact. While you're at it, please explain why you think the generalization of "goalies" applies to one of the top 5 goaltenders in the NHL.


lets look at some goalie trades recently

Allen for a 3rd (could have gotten a 2nd if was a skater)
Dubnyk for a 5th (if a skater a 4th an d5th)
Murray for a 2nd (if a skater with 2 cup rings as a rookie and is under the age of 27 mind you easily a mid to late 1st round pick)
Lehner for a 2nd (if skater multiple 2nds or a 1st)
Campbell for a 3rd (thats fair tbh)
Reimer for Darling and a 3rd (cap dump so imma discount that)
Ingram for a 7th (was 20 at the time could have fetched a 4th or higher)
Kinkaid for a 5th (at the time fair)
Talbot for Stolarz ( holy ****ing **** does edmonton lose that trade badly)
Ryan Miller (was traded with steve ot. in return was Jaro Halak a 1st a 3rd william carrier and chris stuward)
Halak trade ( halak for Eller, MTL could have gotten more but thats how goalie trades work)
Rask for Raycroft (thats just stupid)
Luongo trades (do i need to explain them?????)
patrick roy trade (again need i explain its patrick ****ing roy the best goalie of all time)
Feb. 18, 2021 at 10:01 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 18, 2021 at 10:08 p.m.
Quoting: OldNYIfan
We don't need draft picks. We would only be trading Gibson to address all three of our shortcomings: lack of offense, lack of talent at RW, and lack of depth at RD. That's why any such trade would have to involve actual players like Holloway or Lavoie, Bear or Bouchard, and someone to replace Gibson either now or later. A 2021 first is also required simply because Gibson is signed for six more years. We are looking for real solutions, not futures.


So you are telling me Gibson costs Lavoie, Bear, and a first round pick and Koskinen?
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Feb. 18, 2021 at 11:11 p.m.
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Quoting: habsfan00
lets look at some goalie trades recently

Allen for a 3rd (could have gotten a 2nd if was a skater)
Dubnyk for a 5th (if a skater a 4th an d5th)
Murray for a 2nd (if a skater with 2 cup rings as a rookie and is under the age of 27 mind you easily a mid to late 1st round pick)
Lehner for a 2nd (if skater multiple 2nds or a 1st)
Campbell for a 3rd (thats fair tbh)
Reimer for Darling and a 3rd (cap dump so imma discount that)
Ingram for a 7th (was 20 at the time could have fetched a 4th or higher)
Kinkaid for a 5th (at the time fair)
Talbot for Stolarz ( holy ****ing **** does edmonton lose that trade badly)
Ryan Miller (was traded with steve ot. in return was Jaro Halak a 1st a 3rd william carrier and chris stuward)
Halak trade ( halak for Eller, MTL could have gotten more but thats how goalie trades work)
Rask for Raycroft (thats just stupid)
Luongo trades (do i need to explain them?????)
patrick roy trade (again need i explain its patrick ****ing roy the best goalie of all time)


The inclusion of the Roy trade as "recent" is hilarious.

Let's discount the goalie-for-goalie trades because those prove just as clearly that some goalies get more than they should.

Let's discount the absurd inclusion of the Lehner trade because now you're embarrassing yourself. Lehner was a UFA and had announced he wan't going to re-sign with Chicago; in any event, he was traded for Malcolm Subban, which just means to me that some goalies get more than they should.

So we're left with the Allen, Dubnyk and Murray trades which someone told you "could have gotten" a higher draft pick. Says what authority?

Finally, none of these trades involved an elite goaltender with term, which is what we're talking about, not backups like Jack Campbell or Connor Ingram, let alone franchise goalies like John Gibson or Connor Hellebuyck or Andrei Vasilevskiy or Carey Price. In fact, not a single one of these trades involves an elite goaltender like Carter Hart or Jordan Binnington or Darcy Kuemper or several others I could name (other than the Rask-for-Raycroft goalie exchange, which vitiates your argument, and Rask wasn't regarded as elite at the time).

In short, you have no factual evidence whatsoever that goalies get traded for less than skaters of equivalent value. A franchise goalie isn't going to get traded anytime soon because no one can afford him.
Feb. 18, 2021 at 11:16 p.m.
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So you are telling me Gibson costs Lavoie, Bear, and a first round pick and Koskinen?


Are you going to show me the trade of a franchise goalie for less?

I'm making the point that the thesis that "we've never seen a goalie traded for x, so therefore we can conclude that goalies don't get traded for full value" is logically inane. By that "argument," no Harvard hockey player has ever been traded for a first-round draft pick, so Adam Fox isn't worth a first-round draft pick. Do you see the fallacy?

The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from the fact that "no elite goalie with term has ever been traded for as much as y" is that the proper price must be higher, else we would have seen such trades for less.
Feb. 19, 2021 at 7:56 a.m.
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Are you going to show me the trade of a franchise goalie for less?

I'm making the point that the thesis that "we've never seen a goalie traded for x, so therefore we can conclude that goalies don't get traded for full value" is logically inane. By that "argument," no Harvard hockey player has ever been traded for a first-round draft pick, so Adam Fox isn't worth a first-round draft pick. Do you see the fallacy?

The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from the fact that "no elite goalie with term has ever been traded for as much as y" is that the proper price must be higher, else we would have seen such trades for less.


I would totally do that trade.
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Feb. 19, 2021 at 4:07 p.m.
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I would totally do that trade.


Sorry if I jumped to the conclusion that you are in the "goalies don't get traded for full value" camp. I thought you were objecting to my suggestion.
 
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