Maybe Henrique for Matheson type deal

I looked at it but ANA has pretty solid depth at LD. I don't think they want to pay almost 5 mil for a 3rd pairing there.
Need a 3rd team in need of defense. It's not like there are not options there.

Yup agreed on that. They got Lindholm/Fowler on the left side. I think the trade value is good but fit isn’t

I think at the end of the day, with the way Matheson is playing, a team like DET or NJ has to be looking at him saying, we can get a solid young 2LD for a 2nd and take it and run.

These teams have nothing on their blueline going forward, especially DET.

Wings pass, penguins add massive amounts for us to take that contract. We certainly aren't paying a pick to take him. Yzerman has stated on repeat we aren't trading picks. This is not the direction the red wings are going. Penguins add a massive piece/pick and take back a bad contract otherwise this is a no

I agree that Matheson plays very good. So why are you trading him? Teams are cautious about him, it would be easier to trade away Pettersson.

because it creates more cap space and it makes for better cap structure on the team.

dude with the way Matheson is playing you'll be paying to take him. That ain't no lie.

DET isn't in a good position as far as team structure is concerned. You don't have a defense. Like none. You aren't really appealing for players to come play there. So your choices will be to massively overpay someone to come play there, or to have swiss cheese defense like permanently, which impedes the growth of the youth on the team.

You need to be more realistic on your situation. As you still need to field a team. Having 2 guys under control next year isn't helping you. It's not like your going to go out and find 5 quality defensemen, and you will need 5 because Dekyser is always hurt.

Matheson isn't returning no 2nd round pick, You could put him on waivers today and no team is claiming him with that horrendous contract.

from someone who didn't watch a single game.

Dude i've watched him play tons here in Florida, Know more about the guy then you do. He carries a $4,875,000 cap hit for 5 more seasons after this there's noway he's worth that contract.

You won't get a 2nd for him with that contract sorry bud

This is ironic coming from someone who says Djoos sucks. He’s been actually pretty good. You want Matheson gone I’d wager you’d have to pay and not the other way around. You’re falling into a recency bias and sample size matters (8).

Honestly, I don't think you can "fake" being a good defenseman on the ice for 24 minutes a game repeatedly.
Call it what you will, but that's a lot of ice time to be "hiding" your bad play.

If you watched him in FL than you know he earned that contract playing well in FL till the system and coach changed and everyone went crying about him playing a physical style of hockey.
You know what kind of defenseman he can be. Because you saw it first hand.

Jack Johnson did it multiple times too and he’s been trash for a long time. All I’m saying is that it’s going to take a much longer sample size to qualm anyone’s doubts about a player especially factoring in his contract in this flat cap/pandemic economy. For instance, if a team wanted to acquire a player this last offseason they could’ve used a third rounder to get Schmidt or 2x seconds to get Toews and I’d wager you’d agree both are superior players. That’s the cost of moving cap now without any coming back.

Everyone wants to say these things.
But hell they moved Guddy with a small improved sample size no problem to ANA, who then sent him to OTT....no problem at all.

Matheson is playing much much much better than Guddy ever did. And while I'll agree 1 or 2 games ain't going to do it, It's not 1 or 2 games at this point...and it doesn't happen till Dumo comes back off IR.
So you are looking at a fairly large sample size of games.
Lets be honest about the teams I picked too. DET, has no defensemen. Like none. 1 guy coming back next year, at least one who isn't always on IR like every damn year.
NJ is no better.
You really think DET is going to find 5 defensemen in FA next year. Because really that's their future. They are gonna over pay every single one of those and not end up with the best talent to begin with.
At least they get a solid guy at a close to reasonable cost here. 4.8 is not a huge over pay for a 2LD. They go in the 4-5 range. Even on the penguins, MP got 4, Marino got 4.4.
It's not some huge overpay. The thing people don't like is the length. But that's not a reason to not take a guy who plays well and is only 26 years old. It's not like he's 32 on that thing.
You are talking about a league so deprived of defensive help that Jack Johnson keeps getting contracts. What does that tell you about their value.

8 games isn’t a sufficient sample size though and hopefully he continues his good play but it’s not guaranteed. Yes, Johnson was given a contract by Rutherford and then Gorton (only a million) but that’s not MM’s contract. Detroit can also acquire FAs and saying no one wants to go there is just pure speculation.

I’m not sure where you got 5 from. Hronek, Seider, and Stetcher are locks. Djoos has played good for us and is an RFA so there’s 4. I’d love to bring Merrill back too but he’s a FA and DDK needs to stay healthy.