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Team: 2020-21 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 21, 2021
Published: Feb. 21, 2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$78,788,424$0$500,000$2,711,576
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,166,666$5,166,666
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$759,258$759,258
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
C
UFA - 1
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$737,500$737,500
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
G
UFA - 8
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
G
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$700,000$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
G
UFA - 1
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$737,500$737,500
C
UFA - 2
Taxi Squad
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
G
UFA - 1

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Feb. 21, 2021 at 8:06 p.m.
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id say tampa
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Feb. 21, 2021 at 8:21 p.m.
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Tampa. They do clear out ~5 mil in cap but they can do that at the draft....
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Feb. 21, 2021 at 8:29 p.m.
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Buffalo and it isn't close
Feb. 21, 2021 at 8:34 p.m.
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Buffalo and it isn't close


Lmao. Come on now. Sergachev + Cirelli ++ and you say no? You’re gonna be disappointed with the return
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Feb. 21, 2021 at 8:37 p.m.
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Lmao. Come on now. Sergachev + Cirelli ++ and you say no? You’re gonna be disappointed with the return


Don't need a 2nd LHD and a 2c as the main return. How does buffalo finally break through if they trade their superstar for low ceiling players? Not saying that serg and Cirelli are bad but they are in a perfect position being the number 2 guys. They wouldn't be able to lead a successful team. That's why the only way a trade would work is if a team is ok with selling their immediate future. There is no pressure to trade him even if he wants out.
Feb. 21, 2021 at 8:42 p.m.
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Lmao. Come on now. Sergachev + Cirelli ++ and you say no? You’re gonna be disappointed with the return


It's not really a ++ with TJ. BUF already has $15m tied up in Skinner and Okposso.

Make is Sergachev + Cirelli + 2nd and it looks much better, and is just about cap neutral.
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Feb. 21, 2021 at 8:44 p.m.
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These pieces combined are more important than Eichel
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Feb. 21, 2021 at 8:52 p.m.
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me
Feb. 21, 2021 at 9:54 p.m.
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Not a snowballs chance in Tampa in August Tampa Bay is dumb enough to do this horrific deal
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Feb. 21, 2021 at 9:56 p.m.
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Why does Tampa Bay need Eichel
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Feb. 22, 2021 at 9:18 a.m.
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GO BOLTS
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When Kuch returns cap hell. And the defense is very shaky at best.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 12:52 p.m.
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I want Gourde back
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Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres
Don't need a 2nd LHD and a 2c as the main return. How does buffalo finally break through if they trade their superstar for low ceiling players? Not saying that serg and Cirelli are bad but they are in a perfect position being the number 2 guys. They wouldn't be able to lead a successful team. That's why the only way a trade would work is if a team is ok with selling their immediate future. There is no pressure to trade him even if he wants out.


Low ceiling? Cirelli's ceiling is a Selke Kopitar/Bergeron type. Sergachev's ceiling is a top pairing D-man. You do forget that they are both only 22 (Edit: Cirelli 23) and both play huge roles on the deepest team in the NHL. They may not be able to lead a successful team now, but once they're 25 and have one more big piece?
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Feb. 22, 2021 at 2:47 p.m.
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Low ceiling? Cirelli's ceiling is a Selke Kopitar/Bergeron type. Sergachev's ceiling is a top pairing D-man. You do forget that they are both only 22 (Edit: Cirelli 23) and both play huge roles on the deepest team in the NHL. They may not be able to lead a successful team now, but once they're 25 and have one more big piece?


I really meant no disrespect they are amazing players. That I would live trade for. I just don't think Corelli is the type to replace eichel. And they have dahlin so even if serf is 1st pair then you have 2 top LD which isn't awful but again not would I would be shooting for when losing your star center.

Low ceiling was an awful choice of words. I just think that Cirelli is your elite 2c and I just don't think there are many successful teams with out a true 1c
Feb. 22, 2021 at 2:50 p.m.
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Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres
I really meant no disrespect they are amazing players. That I would live trade for. I just don't think Corelli is the type to replace eichel. And they have dahlin so even if serf is 1st pair then you have 2 top LD which isn't awful but again not would I would be shooting for when losing your star center.

Low ceiling was an awful choice of words. I just think that Cirelli is your elite 2c and I just don't think there are many successful teams with out a true 1c


fair enough
Feb. 22, 2021 at 3:02 p.m.
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It's not really a ++ with TJ. BUF already has $15m tied up in Skinner and Okposso.

Make is Sergachev + Cirelli + 2nd and it looks much better, and is just about cap neutral.


It may be cap nuetral but Tampa Bay gets fleeced no chance.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 3:06 p.m.
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Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres
I really meant no disrespect they are amazing players. That I would live trade for. I just don't think Corelli is the type to replace eichel. And they have dahlin so even if serf is 1st pair then you have 2 top LD which isn't awful but again not would I would be shooting for when losing your star center.

Low ceiling was an awful choice of words. I just think that Cirelli is your elite 2c and I just don't think there are many successful teams with out a true 1c


Cirelli is 23 had 36 and 44 points going against everyone's top line nightly and has been 8th and 4th in selke voting in his 2 NHL seasons what doesn't say 1c about that
Feb. 22, 2021 at 8:21 p.m.
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Cirelli is 23 had 36 and 44 points going against everyone's top line nightly and has been 8th and 4th in selke voting in his 2 NHL seasons what doesn't say 1c about that


Why isn't he your 1c then
Feb. 22, 2021 at 8:23 p.m.
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Why isn't he your 1c then


Brayden point
Feb. 22, 2021 at 8:29 p.m.
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Brayden point


It's cause he isn't a 1c.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 8:45 p.m.
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It's cause he isn't a 1c.


In 2 years he'll be a 1C on 20+ teams
Feb. 22, 2021 at 8:50 p.m.
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In 2 years he'll be a 1C on 20+ teams


Eichel is literally 1 year older.
Cirelli could be a fringe 1c but he will be nowhere near the level of eichel.
This really isn't even a knock on cirelli cause he is an elite defensive center but his career projects to be more of a Danault than a 1c. Instantly makes a team better by having him but is a 2nd line shutdown who can still provide offense. Eichel can take over a whole game
Feb. 22, 2021 at 8:52 p.m.
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Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres
Eichel is literally 1 year older.
Cirelli could be a fringe 1c but he will be nowhere near the level of eichel.
This really isn't even a knock on cirelli cause he is an elite defensive center but his career projects to be more of a Danault than a 1c. Instantly makes a team better by having him but is a 2nd line shutdown who can still provide offense. Eichel can take over a whole game


You’ll lose any Eichel trade then. You aren’t getting someone back with the same elite level play as Eichel is.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 8:55 p.m.
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Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres
Eichel is literally 1 year older.
Cirelli could be a fringe 1c but he will be nowhere near the level of eichel.
This really isn't even a knock on cirelli cause he is an elite defensive center but his career projects to be more of a Danault than a 1c. Instantly makes a team better by having him but is a 2nd line shutdown who can still provide offense. Eichel can take over a whole game


Think closer to Patrice Bergeron than Phillip Danault. Tampa Bay isn't giving Sergy and Cirelli and picks that delusionally foolish
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Feb. 23, 2021 at 5:32 a.m.
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You’ll lose any Eichel trade then. You aren’t getting someone back with the same elite level play as Eichel is.


You'll get an overall future package with the hope that one of those prospects develop into that type. It's the only way a trade like that works
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