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Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 22, 2021
Published: Feb. 22, 2021
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Free Agent Signings
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3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$925,000
2$3,500,000
2$2,000,000
1$925,000
2$5,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
2$4,000,000
2$6,000,000
2$3,500,000
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  1. 2021 5th round pick (VAN)
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VGK
  1. Reinhart, Sam
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (BUF)
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BUF
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (EDM)
6.
BUF
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (CGY)
7.
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2021
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22$81,500,000$71,236,416$113,916$4,432,500$10,263,584
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 8
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
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$3,050,000$3,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
RW
RFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 6
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$925,000$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167
RW, LW
RFA - 4
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$778,333$778,333 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
G
RFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
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$925,000$925,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 6
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$889,166$889,166
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RFA - 1

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Feb. 22, 2021 at 9:51 a.m.
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While I definitely think one of Kakko or Laffy has to be in a Eichel trade, there's a 0% chance that they'd give up Fox.
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Feb. 22, 2021 at 10:04 a.m.
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Rangers laugh and hang up
Feb. 22, 2021 at 10:35 a.m.
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Honestly without Fox the deal is close...
Feb. 22, 2021 at 11:53 a.m.
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Honestly without Fox the deal is close...

So you think a guy who hasn’t proven himself yet, an older guy on a bad contract, and a guy who may never reach the NHL is worth eichel AND jokiharju... This wouldn’t be close.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 12:12 p.m.
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Sharks accept imo
Feb. 22, 2021 at 1:11 p.m.
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Yikes
Feb. 22, 2021 at 1:39 p.m.
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Meh. I like Tuch a lot more than Reinhart
Feb. 22, 2021 at 1:47 p.m.
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So you think a guy who hasn’t proven himself yet, an older guy on a bad contract, and a guy who may never reach the NHL is worth eichel AND jokiharju... This wouldn’t be close.


I think Fox on his own has more value/$$ than Eichel...

Right now Fox and Eichel have about equal on ice value. We have a lot of things that show this. Going back to the beginning of last year, both the GAR and xGAR models have Fox as a more valuable player at even strength. Dom Luszczyszyn's GSVA metric puts Fox and Eichel as equals. https://theathletic.com/2319888/2021/02/17/nhl-2020-21-player-value-projections/

So they're putting up equal on-ice value. Meanwhile, Fox is a combined 18 mil cheaper for the next 2 seasons, and likely can be signed long term at a rate cheaper than Eichel. Historically, trading 6 mil in cap space roughly gets you about a 1st. 9 mil gets you more than that. 9 mil for 2 years? A **** ton more.

So yeah Fox = Eichel on the ice. Fox >>>> Eichel in a trade.


Not sure why you're putting down Kakko who has had a pretty great year. I mean just to compare with someone like Jack Hughes.
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And he's driving play... towards the top of the league in shot generation. I mean he compares pretty nicely thus far to another big winger picked high in the draft

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Gotta start watching the games bud...there's a lot more here than just counting the numbers in the points column.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 4:15 p.m.
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VAN decline, they don't have the cap space. Vegas decline as well.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 10:33 p.m.
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Sharks accept imo


Yes where do we sign.
Feb. 23, 2021 at 7:05 a.m.
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Quoting: Sagecoll
I think Fox on his own has more value/$$ than Eichel...

Right now Fox and Eichel have about equal on ice value. We have a lot of things that show this. Going back to the beginning of last year, both the GAR and xGAR models have Fox as a more valuable player at even strength. Dom Luszczyszyn's GSVA metric puts Fox and Eichel as equals. https://theathletic.com/2319888/2021/02/17/nhl-2020-21-player-value-projections/

So they're putting up equal on-ice value. Meanwhile, Fox is a combined 18 mil cheaper for the next 2 seasons, and likely can be signed long term at a rate cheaper than Eichel. Historically, trading 6 mil in cap space roughly gets you about a 1st. 9 mil gets you more than that. 9 mil for 2 years? A **** ton more.

So yeah Fox = Eichel on the ice. Fox >>>> Eichel in a trade.


Not sure why you're putting down Kakko who has had a pretty great year. I mean just to compare with someone like Jack Hughes.
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And he's driving play... towards the top of the league in shot generation. I mean he compares pretty nicely thus far to another big winger picked high in the draft

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Gotta start watching the games bud...there's a lot more here than just counting the numbers in the points column.



Does RAPM factor in QoT or is it an isolated advanced metric?
Feb. 23, 2021 at 9:03 a.m.
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Quoting: Sagecoll
Fox = Eichel on the ice. Fox >>>> Eichel in a trade.


Wait, wut? Fox is a good player, but this may be stretching it a bit far.
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Feb. 23, 2021 at 9:16 a.m.
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I think Fox on his own has more value/$$ than Eichel...

Right now Fox and Eichel have about equal on ice value. We have a lot of things that show this. Going back to the beginning of last year, both the GAR and xGAR models have Fox as a more valuable player at even strength. Dom Luszczyszyn's GSVA metric puts Fox and Eichel as equals. https://theathletic.com/2319888/2021/02/17/nhl-2020-21-player-value-projections/

So they're putting up equal on-ice value. Meanwhile, Fox is a combined 18 mil cheaper for the next 2 seasons, and likely can be signed long term at a rate cheaper than Eichel. Historically, trading 6 mil in cap space roughly gets you about a 1st. 9 mil gets you more than that. 9 mil for 2 years? A **** ton more.

So yeah Fox = Eichel on the ice. Fox >>>> Eichel in a trade.


Not sure why you're putting down Kakko who has had a pretty great year. I mean just to compare with someone like Jack Hughes.
Screen-Shot-2021-02-22-at-1-41-08-PM

And he's driving play... towards the top of the league in shot generation. I mean he compares pretty nicely thus far to another big winger picked high in the draft

Screen-Shot-2021-02-22-at-1-46-02-PM

Gotta start watching the games bud...there's a lot more here than just counting the numbers in the points column.


This is a really bad take, cherry picking players and tiny sample sizes. These numbers aren't good at all, in fact Tkachuk's 1.08 P/60 ranks 270th in the league among forwards who have played over 100 minutes at 5v5, tied with Zack Sanford and Pierre Engvall. Kakko's 0.97 P/60 ranks 290th in the league among forwards. Kreider is worse this year, at 0.93. Fourth liner stuff.

At least with guys like Eichel and Tkachuk you can look at previous years to see what their "norm" is, but you can't with Kakko. Maybe this IS his norm.
Feb. 23, 2021 at 9:19 a.m.
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dupe.
Feb. 23, 2021 at 9:28 a.m.
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Quoting: Sagecoll
I mean just to compare with someone like Jack Hughes.
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Maybe this trade idea

https://ibb.co/Fb60ndk

And if Fox = Eichel...and...

https://ibb.co/z5yFJSN

Than Severson > Eichel, no?
Feb. 23, 2021 at 10:22 a.m.
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This is a really bad take, cherry picking players and tiny sample sizes. These numbers aren't good at all, in fact Tkachuk's 1.08 P/60 ranks 270th in the league among forwards who have played over 100 minutes at 5v5, tied with Zack Sanford and Pierre Engvall. Kakko's 0.97 P/60 ranks 290th in the league among forwards. Kreider is worse this year, at 0.93. Fourth liner stuff.

At least with guys like Eichel and Tkachuk you can look at previous years to see what their "norm" is, but you can't with Kakko. Maybe this IS his norm.


Quoting: CD282
This is a really bad take, cherry picking players and tiny sample sizes. These numbers aren't good at all, in fact Tkachuk's 1.08 P/60 ranks 270th in the league among forwards who have played over 100 minutes at 5v5, tied with Zack Sanford and Pierre Engvall. Kakko's 0.97 P/60 ranks 290th in the league among forwards. Kreider is worse this year, at 0.93. Fourth liner stuff.

At least with guys like Eichel and Tkachuk you can look at previous years to see what their "norm" is, but you can't with Kakko. Maybe this IS his norm.


the point was about the shot generation... iCF/60, ixGF/60. ie: How often are players getting off shot attempts and how dangerous are those shot attempts. That's what correlates with future goal scoring. When you combine that with solid on-ice metrics that show Kakko is doing a really nice job of driving possession and preventing quality chances against, well that tends to check the boxes of a solid 2way play driver...

I literally made a point to say don't just look at the points column and somehow that's all you looked at... watch the games bud.
Feb. 23, 2021 at 10:52 a.m.
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the point was about the shot generation... iCF/60, ixGF/60. ie: How often are players getting off shot attempts and how dangerous are those shot attempts. That's what correlates with future goal scoring. When you combine that with solid on-ice metrics that show Kakko is doing a really nice job of driving possession and preventing quality chances against, well that tends to check the boxes of a solid 2way play driver...

I literally made a point to say don't just look at the points column and somehow that's all you looked at... watch the games bud.

Do you think Buffalo would look at Puljujarvi as a basis for an Eichel trade?

Kakko: 14.68 iCF/60
Puljujarvi: 13.31 iCF/60

Puljujarvi: 1.17 ixGF/60
Kakko: 0.81 ixGF/60

Puljujarvi: 9.98 iSCF/60
Kakko: 7.83 iSCF/60

Puljujarvi: 6.14 iHDCF/60
Kakko: 3.92 iHDCF/60

Puljujarvi: 9.47 Shots/60
Kakko: 9.14 Shots/60

Puljujarvi: 1.28 goals/60
Kakko: 0.65 goals/60

But here's the stat that shows a player's "play driving ability":

Puljujarvi: 70.00 IPP
Kakko: 42.86 IPP

Oops. Kakko is involved in less than 50% of the goals scored while he's on the ice. That's not a play driver, that's a passenger. And not all shot attempts are created equal: only 26.7% of his shot attempts are considered dangerous while 46.13% of Puljujarvi's are dangerous.

He's got skill, but like Puljujarvi until he learns how to translate that skill into results, he doesn't have much value. At least, not in the context of an Eichel trade.
Feb. 23, 2021 at 11:24 a.m.
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Do you think Buffalo would look at Puljujarvi as a basis for an Eichel trade?

Kakko: 14.68 iCF/60
Puljujarvi: 13.31 iCF/60

Puljujarvi: 1.17 ixGF/60
Kakko: 0.81 ixGF/60

Puljujarvi: 9.98 iSCF/60
Kakko: 7.83 iSCF/60

Puljujarvi: 6.14 iHDCF/60
Kakko: 3.92 iHDCF/60

Puljujarvi: 9.47 Shots/60
Kakko: 9.14 Shots/60

Puljujarvi: 1.28 goals/60
Kakko: 0.65 goals/60

But here's the stat that shows a player's "play driving ability":

Puljujarvi: 70.00 IPP
Kakko: 42.86 IPP

Oops. Kakko is involved in less than 50% of the goals scored while he's on the ice. That's not a play driver, that's a passenger. And not all shot attempts are created equal: only 26.7% of his shot attempts are considered dangerous while 46.13% of Puljujarvi's are dangerous.

He's got skill, but like Puljujarvi until he learns how to translate that skill into results, he doesn't have much value. At least, not in the context of an Eichel trade.


I mean I think it's adorable that you happened to pick the guy who has spent 70% of his ice time with McDavid to try and make a point about individual play driving. lol keep trying bud. You'll get there someday.
Feb. 23, 2021 at 11:54 a.m.
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I mean I think it's adorable that you happened to pick the guy who has spent 70% of his ice time with McDavid to try and make a point about individual play driving. lol keep trying bud. You'll get there someday.

How do you think he won that spot? By the time he was moved up to McDavid's line, Puljujarvi was 15th in the NHL at ixGF/60, 18th at iSCF/60 and 9th in Shots/60. He's certainly driving play even on McDavid's line, something that very few players can do.
 
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