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Who Says No

Created by: irgids
Published: Feb. 22, 2021 at 1:19 p.m.
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Season Days: 75/116 (65%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Buffalo SabresBuffalo Sabres

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Eichel, JackBuffalo SabresNHL-$6,465,517111---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kempe, AdrianLos Angeles KingsNHL-$1,293,103111---0000--
Turcotte, AlexWaivers ExemptLos Angeles KingsMinor-$0011---0000--
Byfield, QuintonWaivers ExemptLos Angeles KingsMinor-$0011---0000--
2021 1st round pick (Logo of the Los Angeles KingsLAK)---100------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,042,4622343623510
Change$5,172,414022100
Final$6,214,876 (↑)2345 (↑)64 (↑)4 (↑)510000

Logo of the Los Angeles KingsLos Angeles Kings

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kempe, AdrianLos Angeles KingsNHL-$1,293,103111---0000--
Turcotte, AlexWaivers ExemptLos Angeles KingsMinor-$0011---0000--
Byfield, QuintonWaivers ExemptLos Angeles KingsMinor-$0011---0000--
2021 1st round pick (Logo of the Los Angeles KingsLAK)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Eichel, JackBuffalo SabresNHL-$6,465,517111---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$8,770,9162347643812
Change-$5,172,4140-2-2-100
Final$3,598,502 (↓)2345 (↓)62 (↓)2 (↓)812000
Feb. 22, 2021 at 1:41 p.m.
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LA says no, Byfield has the potential to be as good, if not better, than Eichel and Turcotte can become a solid second line center. Kings are also going to be missing the playoffs this year and are most likely finishing bottom five so they're not giving up their lottery pick.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 4:13 p.m.
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Add Vilardi and make the first protected for a year.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 6:32 p.m.
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Quoting: reelkena
Add Vilardi and make the first protected for a year.


It was already a big no from the Kings, an even larger no with this trade the Kings give up three young top-6 centers (and a very likely top line center in Byfield), kempe, and a high first to get another $10M contract on their books, this trade is answering a problem the Kings don't have. Kings aren't the ones looking for Eichel, they have more options at top-6 centers than any other team in the league.

I keep seeing these Eichel to LA trades but no one explains why LA needs Eichel, they don't, they have that position covered.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 6:36 p.m.
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It was already a big no from the Kings, an even larger no with this trade the Kings give up three young top-6 centers (and a very likely top line center in Byfield), kempe, and a high first to get another $10M contract on their books, this trade is answering a problem the Kings don't have. Kings aren't the ones looking for Eichel, they have more options at top-6 centers than any other team in the league.

I keep seeing these Eichel to LA trades but no one explains why LA needs Eichel, they don't, they have that position covered.


it was already a big no from the kings in your mind. That has zero application to me, I don't agree and I almost never value the opinion of a fan of the specific team. They never tend to have a good perception of the rest of the league in relation to their own.

Now however, the kings not wanting him because they're not ready to compete or they don't need the spot filled, that's fine. If you just wanna say, "pass, send him somewhere else" Ok. You can do that and it may/probably does have merit. But since this is the theoretical land of hopeful logic, I'm gonna suggest what it would cost if wanted. And I stand by my addition.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 6:55 p.m.
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Quoting: reelkena
it was already a big no from the kings in your mind. That has zero application to me, I don't agree and I almost never value the opinion of a fan of the specific team. They never tend to have a good perception of the rest of the league in relation to their own.

Now however, the kings not wanting him because they're not ready to compete or they don't need the spot filled, that's fine. If you just wanna say, "pass, send him somewhere else" Ok. You can do that and it may/probably does have merit. But since this is the theoretical land of hopeful logic, I'm gonna suggest what it would cost if wanted. And I stand by my addition.


I understand your logic, but disregarding the opinions of people who have followed their prospects and understand a teams area of weakness might be a difficult strategy. The Kings trading away their 2020 2nd overall pick (Byfield), 2019 5th overall pick (Turcotte), 2017 11th overall (Vilardi), 1st round pick for 2021 (likely top 10), Kempe is not a fair value for Eichel, if for no other reason top 3 overall prospects are almost universally untouchable especially within their draft year. I really can't remember the last time it happened.

Second, yes, the Kings are set at center and Eichel does not provide an advantage to a rebuilding team, the Kings have a slow methodic plan where each player will slowly move up from the AHL (they hired Turcotte's old US NDTP coach this year specifically for this). This can be shown by how they did not rush Vilardi after his injury and limited his play last season and they reluctantly let him take second center after he just outplayed everyone else. Once the Kings are ready to compete and have their future core in place absolutely sell whoever they can to get better.

Third, the Sabres absolutely should get a haul but as I said above, why do the Kings want to even do this. They and a handful of other teams are an intriguing option because they can take on $10M without sending expensive contracts the other way. Detroit or the Rangers might work, but I truly believe they will work out their differences and he stays in Buffalo.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 7:04 p.m.
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I understand your logic, but disregarding the opinions of people who have followed their prospects and understand a teams area of weakness might be a difficult strategy. The Kings trading away their 2020 2nd overall pick (Byfield), 2019 5th overall pick (Turcotte), 2017 11th overall (Vilardi), 1st round pick for 2021 (likely top 10), Kempe is not a fair value for Eichel, if for no other reason top 3 overall prospects are almost universally untouchable especially within their draft year. I really can't remember the last time it happened.

Second, yes, the Kings are set at center and Eichel does not provide an advantage to a rebuilding team, the Kings have a slow methodic plan where each player will slowly move up from the AHL (they hired Turcotte's old US NDTP coach this year specifically for this). This can be shown by how they did not rush Vilardi after his injury and limited his play last season and they reluctantly let him take second center after he just outplayed everyone else. Once the Kings are ready to compete and have their future core in place absolutely sell whoever they can to get better.

Third, the Sabres absolutely should get a haul but as I said above, why do the Kings want to even do this. They and a handful of other teams are an intriguing option because they can take on $10M without sending expensive contracts the other way. Detroit or the Rangers might work, but I truly believe they will work out their differences and he stays in Buffalo.


Second and Third were things I already agreed with and First while you may know your teams prospects better than most you don't tend to have a good assessment of other teams. While Eichel is an easier evaluation most players elude through assessment outside of "your team". Now I can fully understand that it's possible there's one too many players here. But you also said Byfield has the potential to be as good or better than Eichel. You know who else has that potential? Me, right now. I could. It's not gonna happen, I don't even skate well but I have a similar chance of being a top 10 player and a Dynasty captain caliber player like Eichel is as Byfield. I'm sure Byfield is gonna be good, maybe great but this kid isn't gonna be Eichel. Eichel is one of two players ever who would be the 1st overall in almost any year other than the year they got drafted and the other was Malkin. If you came in with "LA would never trade for him because they don't need him but Byfield, Kempe, Turcotte and a protected first is as far as I'd go" then I wouldn't be accusing you of biased. But I know you wont agree with that deal.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 7:11 p.m.
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Second and Third were things I already agreed with and First while you may know your teams prospects better than most you don't tend to have a good assessment of other teams. While Eichel is an easier evaluation most players elude through assessment outside of "your team". Now I can fully understand that it's possible there's one too many players here. But you also said Byfield has the potential to be as good or better than Eichel. You know who else has that potential? Me, right now. I could. It's not gonna happen, I don't even skate well but I have a similar chance of being a top 10 player and a Dynasty captain caliber player like Eichel is as Byfield. I'm sure Byfield is gonna be good, maybe great but this kid isn't gonna be Eichel. Eichel is one of two players ever who would be the 1st overall in almost any year other than the year they got drafted and the other was Malkin. If you came in with "LA would never trade for him because they don't need him but Byfield, Kempe, Turcotte and a protected first is as far as I'd go" then I wouldn't be accusing you of biased. But I know you wont agree with that deal.


I misspoke, Byfield is very likely a top-line center. I think the Kings have no idea who will be their top 4 centers in the future after Kopitar leaves, but the mix of: Byfield, Turcotte, VIlardi, JAD, Lizotte, and Kupari give them a better chance post Kopitar than: Eichel, JAD, Lizotte, Kupari. Eichel is the best player here, but what would be my proposal would be Turcotte, Kupari, 2022 1st, 2nd, Kempe, and Iaffalo. And I'd expect it to be beaten.
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Feb. 22, 2021 at 7:28 p.m.
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I misspoke, Byfield is very likely a top-line center. I think the Kings have no idea who will be their top 4 centers in the future after Kopitar leaves, but the mix of: Byfield, Turcotte, VIlardi, JAD, Lizotte, and Kupari give them a better chance post Kopitar than: Eichel, JAD, Lizotte, Kupari. Eichel is the best player here, but what would be my proposal would be Turcotte, Kupari, 2022 1st, 2nd, Kempe, and Iaffalo. And I'd expect it to be beaten.


That is all fair enough. Feel free to give me grief when I make a Canucks trade.
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Feb. 22, 2021 at 9:27 p.m.
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Add Vilardi and make the first protected for a year.


Eichel isn't worth 4 players.
Feb. 22, 2021 at 9:32 p.m.
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Eichel isn't worth 4 players.


ok bucko
Feb. 23, 2021 at 11:46 p.m.
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Why would the Kings want to trade 4 number 1 players plus a draft choice for one $10,000,000 player? Good trade for Buffalo; bad trade for Kings. Maybe some lower rated players and draft picks but not the all of the cream of the crop per the Athletics Scott Wheeler. Kings need a scoring winger.
Mar. 22, 2021 at 12:55 p.m.
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... I almost never value the opinion of a fan of the specific team. They never tend to have a good perception of the rest of the league in relation to their own...


Quoting: irgids
Eichel isn't worth 4 players.


Quoting: reelkena
ok bucko
Mar. 23, 2021 at 12:24 a.m.
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LA says no, Byfield has the potential to be as good, if not better, than Eichel and Turcotte can become a solid second line center. Kings are also going to be missing the playoffs this year and are most likely finishing bottom five so they're not giving up their lottery pick.


Byfield is good, but lets pump the breaks on the "better than Eichel" nonsense.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 10:41 a.m.
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Byfield is good, but lets pump the breaks on the "better than Eichel" nonsense.


That's why I said he has the potential, he has a low floor but a very high ceiling. If he pans out he could easily be as good as Eichel.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 6:13 p.m.
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Quoting: ABOVEAVERAGEHOCKEYFAN
That's why I said he has the potential, he has a low floor but a very high ceiling. If he pans out he could easily be as good as Eichel.


I hope for your sake you are right.
 
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