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Erik Karlsson

Created by: NHLfan10506
Initial Creation Date: Feb 23, 2021
Published: Feb 23 at 11:44
Team: 2020-21 New Jersey Devils
Team Explanation
Just trying it on for size...

Not sure its a fit for either though
Trades
NJD
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($5,750,000 retained)
  2. Sörensen, Marcus
SJS
  1. Subban, P.K. ($4,500,000 retained)
  2. Walsh, Reilly
Additional Details:
Plus conditional picks based on Karlsson's games played. Walsh or other defensive prospect.
Buyouts
  • Cory Schneider: $2,000,000
  • Mike Cammalleri: $1,666,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • P.K. Subban: $4,500,000 (50%)
  • Travis Zajac: $2,875,000 (50%)
  • Kyle Palmieri: $2,325,000 (50%)
Recapture Fees
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
Buried
  • Marcus Sörensen: $425,000 ($1,500,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
NJD
NYI
NJD
ARI
NJD
BUF
NJD
ARI
2022
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
CBJ
NJD
NJD
2023
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$74,219,997$0$4,047,500$7,280,003
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Hischier, Nico
$7,250,000
C
UFA - 7
NJD
Palmieri, Kyle
$2,325,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
NJD
Hughes, Jack
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
$2,750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
NJD
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
NJD
Sharangovich, Yegor
$775,833
C, RW, LW
RFA - 1
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
$2,250,000
C
RFA - 2
NJD
Kuokkanen, Janne
$811,666
C, LW
RFA - 1
NJD
Mcleod, Michael
$863,333
C
RFA - 1
NJD
Bastian, Nathan
$714,166
RW, C
RFA - 1
NJD
Wood, Miles
$2,750,000
LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NJD
Smith, Ty
$863,333
LD
RFA - 3
NJD
Severson, Damon
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 3
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
$2,800,000
G
RFA - 3
NJD
Murray, Ryan
$4,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
SJS
Karlsson, Erik
$5,750,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 7
NJD
Dell, Aaron
$800,000
G
UFA - 1
NJD
Butcher, Will
$3,733,333
LD
UFA - 2
NJD
Vatanen, Sami
$2,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NJD
Zajac, Travis
$2,875,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Kulikov, Dmitry
$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
NJD
Wedgewood, Scott
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
NJD
Carrick, Connor
$1,500,000 ($425,000)
RD
UFA - 1
NJD
Maltsev, Mikhail
$809,167 ($0)
LW
RFA - 2
NJD
Tennyson, Matt
$700,000 ($0)
RD
UFA - 1

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Feb 23 at 11:48
#1
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Sj probably isint going to want to retain 5+ million for 7 years
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Feb 23 at 11:48
#2
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Bold trade. I would accept that but doubt SJ would
Feb 23 at 11:48
#3
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That’s horrible there’s no way the sharks are retaining that much
Feb 23 at 11:52
#4
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Give us PK for EK, no retention. Due to that, you don't need to give any prospects. However, I'm curious what you feel would be good to come with EK to NJ to help even it out. I don't think the Sharks will part with a 1st for the next two years, but perhaps a roster player? Labanc maybe? Interested on your thoughts.

If I'm being honest, I don't see the Sharks trading EK. They gave up a lot to get him and I still think they want to see a full season from him.
Feb 23 at 11:53
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Really gonna have to overpay to convince the Sharks to retain almost 6 mil for the next 7 years.
Feb 23 at 11:55
#6
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Never would accept from SJ, especially given the increasing change that Karlsson could end up spending a long period of time on LTIR with the rate of injuries he is sustaining.
Feb 23 at 12:00
#7
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Heck naw with that retention
Feb 23 at 12:21
#8
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Quoting: Borocop
Sj probably isint going to want to retain 5+ million for 7 years


Agree, but I wonder what that number would be though. $4 million? $5 million (x 6 years really).

Quoting: flamesfan
That’s horrible there’s no way the sharks are retaining that much


So what then? They wait it out? Best case scenario is the NHL and NHLPA agree on one limited compliance buy-out....which I am guessing they would use on Vlassic.

Quoting: goodfella
Give us PK for EK, no retention. Due to that, you don't need to give any prospects. However, I'm curious what you feel would be good to come with EK to NJ to help even it out. I don't think the Sharks will part with a 1st for the next two years, but perhaps a roster player? Labanc maybe? Interested on your thoughts.

If I'm being honest, I don't see the Sharks trading EK. They gave up a lot to get him and I still think they want to see a full season from him.


I have no idea...this is what I am exploring this. I cannot imagine any team taking Karlsson without at least $3 million retained and some heavy conditions on games played. Say if NJD gave up Subban, Walsh, 2021 2nd pick and got Karlsson at around $7-7.5 million x 6 years and he plays 70 games in 3 of first 4 years, I think they would be happy adding another unprotected 1st rounder. But the deal goes bust for them if he plays only half the time.

Quoting: BroadwayBlueshirts
Really gonna have to overpay to convince the Sharks to retain almost 6 mil for the next 7 years.


I get that, but glass half empty, half full. If Sharks are rebuilding, they'll want to move the salary, which is nearly impossible in this day.

Quoting: Klara
Never would accept from SJ, especially given the increasing change that Karlsson could end up spending a long period of time on LTIR with the rate of injuries he is sustaining.


This possibility lowers the cost for NJD, lowers the return for San Jose though.

Quoting: RawZuccSauce420
Heck naw with that retention


Where is the equilibrium? What number leaves little enough on San Jose's books to move him....and little enough on NJD's (or other teams) books to take him?
Feb 23 at 12:33
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Agree, but I wonder what that number would be though. $4 million? $5 million (x 6 years really).



So what then? They wait it out? Best case scenario is the NHL and NHLPA agree on one limited compliance buy-out....which I am guessing they would use on Vlassic.



I have no idea...this is what I am exploring this. I cannot imagine any team taking Karlsson without at least $3 million retained and some heavy conditions on games played. Say if NJD gave up Subban, Walsh, 2021 2nd pick and got Karlsson at around $7-7.5 million x 6 years and he plays 70 games in 3 of first 4 years, I think they would be happy adding another unprotected 1st rounder. But the deal goes bust for them if he plays only half the time.



I get that, but glass half empty, half full. If Sharks are rebuilding, they'll want to move the salary, which is nearly impossible in this day.



This possibility lowers the cost for NJD, lowers the return for San Jose though.



Where is the equilibrium? What number leaves little enough on San Jose's books to move him....and little enough on NJD's (or other teams) books to take him?


Sharks won't retain that much for that long. I don't think anyone would.
Feb 23 at 12:35
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Quoting: goodfella
Sharks won't retain that much for that long. I don't think anyone would.


So much much then? Anything less than $4 million and I think they are paying to move him.
Feb 23 at 12:42
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Quoting: NHLfan10506

This possibility lowers the cost for NJD, lowers the return for San Jose though.


If SJ retains, that's guaranteed cap hit through the rest of his contract. Karlsson will probably spend half of the rest of his career (if not most) on LTIR. Not worth trading him unless someone wants him for free.
Feb 23 at 1:03
#12
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Quoting: Klara
If SJ retains, that's guaranteed cap hit through the rest of his contract. Karlsson will probably spend half of the rest of his career (if not most) on LTIR. Not worth trading him unless someone wants him for free.


That is kind of the point. Few would want him at $11.5 million. You'd be getting picks/prospects for the retention....its a question of more futures for more retention.

In other words, if other teams are starting at "1"...and sharks are starting at "10"...where would they meet in middle


Lots of picks/prospects----------------------------------------------Some picks/prospects---------------------------------------------No picks/prospects
Max number retained-------------------------------------------------Med number retained---------------------------------------------No money retained
High probability of deal ---------------------------------------------Maybe deal gets done---------------------------------------------Low probability of deal
1-------------------2-------------------3-------------------4-------------------5-------------------6-------------------7-------------------8-------------------9------------------10
Feb 23 at 1:13
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
That is kind of the point. Few would want him at $11.5 million. You'd be getting picks/prospects for the retention....its a question of more futures for more retention.

In other words, if other teams are starting at "1"...and sharks are starting at "10"...where would they meet in middle


Lots of picks/prospects----------------------------------------------Some picks/prospects---------------------------------------------No picks/prospects
Max number retained-------------------------------------------------Med number retained---------------------------------------------No money retained
High probability of deal ---------------------------------------------Maybe deal gets done---------------------------------------------Low probability of deal
1-------------------2-------------------3-------------------4-------------------5-------------------6-------------------7-------------------8-------------------9------------------10


5.75M is max retained, yet SJ only gets a single alright prospect, that isn't "Lots of picks/prospects." SJ would be much safer with keeping Karlsson.
Feb 23 at 1:25
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Quoting: Klara
5.75M is max retained, yet SJ only gets a single alright prospect, that isn't "Lots of picks/prospects." SJ would be much safer with keeping Karlsson.


Walsh + two conditional picks based on playing time (as high as two unprotected 1st round picks...as low as two nuttin' picks)...sorry should have been more clear.
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Feb 23 at 1:47
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EK65 is broken, has been since the big trade and I don't foresee him coming back to his elite level. PK isn't his elite level either but he is the better choice here.
 
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