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Elliot Friedman rumour Vlasic for Skinner swap which team adds

Created by: Cdn_bacon
Initial Creation Date: Feb 23, 2021
Published: Feb 23 at 12:22
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Trades
BUF
  1. Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
SJS
  1. Skinner, Jeff
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Eric Staal: $1,625,000 (50%)
  • Taylor Hall: $4,000,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2023
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$71,572,459$1,487,500$4,337,500$9,927,541
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
$3,050,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
$5,200,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
BUF
Hall, Taylor
$4,000,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 1
BUF
Staal, Eric
$1,625,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Cozens, Dylan
$894,167
C, LW
RFA - 3
BUF
Mittelstadt, Casey
$874,125
C
RFA - 1
BUF
Eakin, Cody
$2,250,000
C
UFA - 2
BUF
Thompson, Tage
$1,400,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
BUF
Rieder, Tobias
$700,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
BUF
Sheahan, Riley
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BUF
McCabe, Jake
$2,850,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
$2,600,000
G
UFA - 1
SJS
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
$7,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 6
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
BUF
Hutton, Carter
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
BUF
Montour, Brandon
$3,850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Miller, Colin
$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BUF
Lazar, Curtis
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 2
BUF
Irwin, Matt
$700,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
BUF
Davidson, Brandon
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
BUF
Borgen, William
$864,166 ($0)
RD
RFA - 1
BUF
Bryson, Jacob
$889,166 ($0)
LD
RFA - 2
BUF
Fitzgerald, Casey
$858,750 ($0)
RD
RFA - 1
BUF
Asplund, Rasmus
$845,000 ($0)
C, LW
RFA - 1
BUF
Johansson, Jonas
$700,000 ($0)
G
RFA - 1

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Feb 23 at 12:23
#1
wojme
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Terrible for the sabres
Feb 23 at 12:24
#2
Caniac555
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Pretty simple that it’s Buffalo that would have to add. Skinner has bigger negative value
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Feb 23 at 12:24
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Caniac555
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Holding out hope for either to turn it around is a fools errand

Quoting: wojme
Terrible for the sabres
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Feb 23 at 12:25
#4
OldNYIfan
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If you thought the chance of getting ONE guy to waive his No Movement Clause was small . . .
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Feb 23 at 12:26
#5
Sabreshockey53
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Quoting: Caniac555
Pretty simple that it’s Buffalo that would have to add. Skinner has bigger negative value


That's just not true at all. https://www.radio.com/wgr550/sports/sabres/jeff-skinner-is-not-underperforming-he-is-underutilized
Vlasic is horrible Skinner is still good, with horrible puck luck, zero confidence, and an idiot as a head coach.
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Feb 23 at 12:27
#6
wojme
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Quoting: Caniac555
Pretty simple that it’s Buffalo that would have to add. Skinner has bigger negative value


He really doesn't though. Younger with a better chance to bounce back. Vlasic has no value even without the big contract
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Feb 23 at 12:29
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
If you thought the chance of getting ONE guy to waive his No Movement Clause was small . . .


I would bet that Vlasic would waive.
Feb 23 at 12:30
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Caniac555
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If either player was still that good, we wouldn’t be talking about this ‘speculated’ trade. The most likely outcome is both continue to struggle and Vlasic would have less money attached to his deal.

Quoting: Sabreshockey53
That's just not true at all. https://www.radio.com/wgr550/sports/sabres/jeff-skinner-is-not-underperforming-he-is-underutilized
Vlasic is horrible Skinner is still good, with horrible puck luck, zero confidence, and an idiot as a head coach.


Quoting: wojme
He really doesn't though. Younger with a better chance to bounce back. Vlasic has no value even without the big contract
Feb 23 at 12:31
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Anus_McLeod
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
If you thought the chance of getting ONE guy to waive his No Movement Clause was small . . .


Skinner might. But MEV, IDK.

"Hi Marc, just wanted to see if you're interested in waiving your NMC and moving to a team that's just as bad in a climate that's waaay worse. Whadaya say?"
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Feb 23 at 12:31
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Not a rumor...
Feb 23 at 12:31
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Sabres923
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Quoting: Klara
I would bet that Vlasic would waive.


Skinner would waive just to get away from Krueger. I just have a feeling the sabres are going to package Eichel and Skinner in a trade together. Jeff would play with Jack again, and score 30 goals everyone laughs at the sabres again.
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Feb 23 at 12:32
#12
OldNYIfan
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Quoting: Klara
I would bet that Vlasic would waive.


'cause he'd rather play with Risto Ristolainen or Brandon Montour than Erik Karlsson or Brent Burns?

NOBODY willingly leaves California, even if it's San Jose.
Feb 23 at 12:33
#13
Sabreshockey53
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Quoting: Caniac555
If either player was still that good, we wouldn’t be talking about this ‘speculated’ trade. The most likely outcome is both continue to struggle and Vlasic would have less money attached to his deal.


read the article it will take 2 minutes. Jeff really isn't struggling at all. He's been extremely effective without scoring.
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Feb 23 at 12:34
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
'cause he'd rather play with Risto Ristolainen or Brandon Montour than Erik Karlsson or Brent Burns?

NOBODY willingly leaves California, even if it's San Jose.


to be fair Risto is better than Karlsson.
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Feb 23 at 12:37
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
'cause he'd rather play with Risto Ristolainen or Brandon Montour than Erik Karlsson or Brent Burns?

NOBODY willingly leaves California, even if it's San Jose.


Then you haven't been following Vlasic very closely. He's also from Montreal, played for the Remparts, lives in Quebec during the summer. I don't think California weather is his thing. Not to mention the obvious signs he desires a change in scenery.

Also he doesn't even get to play with Karlsson or Burns anymore, he plays with the rookie Knyazev.
Feb 23 at 12:37
#16
Caniac555
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I don’t need to read the article, I’ve read articles like it for 10 years

Quoting: Sabreshockey53
read the article it will take 2 minutes. Jeff really isn't struggling at all. He's been extremely effective without scoring.
Feb 23 at 12:40
#17
Sagecoll
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Skinner's 5 year's younger and the difference in cap is just 2 mil right? And the deal is for the same length? LOL is this a question...

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Feb 23 at 12:40
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: Sabreshockey53
to be fair Risto is better than Karlsson.


Meanwhile, another Sabres fan publishes a post suggesting that Buffalo pick up Luke Schenn on waivers and bench Risto.
Feb 23 at 12:42
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: Klara
Then you haven't been following Vlasic very closely. He's also from Montreal, played for the Remparts, lives in Quebec during the summer. I don't think California weather is his thing. Not to mention the obvious signs he desires a change in scenery.

Also he doesn't even get to play with Karlsson or Burns anymore, he plays with the rookie Knyazev.


I haven't been following Vlasic at all. I just can't resist an opportunity to jab a NoCaler.
Feb 23 at 12:44
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I haven't been following Vlasic at all. I just can't resist an opportunity to jab a NoCaler.


Well SJ does have a history of managing to keep players from leaving, usually its by giving them stupid contracts. *cough* Jones, Vlasic, Burns, Karlsson, Couture, Kane *cough*
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Feb 23 at 12:45
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Quoting: Caniac555
I don’t need to read the article, I’ve read articles like it for 10 years[/quote

Skinner has always been that player, and will always be that player.

In 59 games last season, plus 14 games this season, Skinner has just 14 goals. That comes after a 40-goal season that earned him an eight-year contract worth $9 million annually.


It is too simplistic and shortsighted to just look at the goal totals and declare that Skinner is not performing. I would argue that Skinner is overachieving, given the impossible situation Ralph Krueger has put him in.


In the 2019-20 season, Skinner's most common linemates were not an impressive group of offensive creators:

1.) Marcus Johansson (336:03)
2.) Conor Sheary (211:46)
3.) Evan Rodrigues (166:16)
4.) Vladimir Sobotka (160:54)


Despite playing almost entirely with a group of players that averages 36 points per-82 games combined in their careers, Skinner somehow managed to lead the Buffalo Sabres in goals per-60 minutes of ice-time at 5-on-5.


In the 2019-20 season at 5-on-5, Skinner had the most goals on the Sabres per-60 minutes of ice-time. More than Jack Eichel, Sam Reinhart, and Victor Olofsson.


Skinner produced with subpar help, but didn't get the proper amount of ice-time.

Fast forward to the 2020-21 season, and Krueger, once again, has put Skinner in an impossible position. From the start of the season, Skinner has skated with Curtis Lazar and Riley Sheahan, arguably, two of the worst offensive players on the team.

The difference this season is Skinner has not scored at all.

In fact, Skinner's rate of high-danger scoring chances per-60 minutes this season is actually higher than each of his first two years with the Sabres. This includes his 40-goal season back in the 2018-19 campaign.''Skinner ranks first on the Sabres per-60 minutes in penalties drawn, takeaways, rebounds created, and he has the third-most blocked shots among forwards.''
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Feb 23 at 12:51
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Meanwhile, another Sabres fan publishes a post suggesting that Buffalo pick up Luke Schenn on waivers and bench Risto.


Risto is very sick with COVID he’s not playing for a while that’s why.
Feb 23 at 12:57
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: Sabres923
Risto is very sick with COVID he’s not playing for a while that’s why.


Sorry to hear that. He's not currently shown on the NHL's Covid list.
Feb 23 at 12:58
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Sorry to hear that. He's not currently shown on the NHL's Covid list.


I meant to say he’s off the list, but he was really sick. He said in a Finnish interview that he thought he was going to die.
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Feb 23 at 1:03
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: Sabres923
I meant to say he’s off the list, but he was really sick. He said in a Finnish interview that he thought he was going to die.


Well, it sounds like he's on the way to a recovery, thank goodness.
 
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