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Feb. 24, 2021 at 4:51 p.m.
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Sure
Feb. 24, 2021 at 4:53 p.m.
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Sure


Makes more sense to buy out komarov + hickey next offseason. Ladd will probably be sent to robidas - I wouldn’t do this. Skinner is 28 and already on the decline.
Feb. 24, 2021 at 4:53 p.m.
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Sure


Love your bio bud lmao
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Feb. 24, 2021 at 4:54 p.m.
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At least Komarov and Ladd's contract ends in my lifetime. My grandchildren will be in senior homes before Skinner's contract ends.
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Feb. 24, 2021 at 5:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Isles777
Makes more sense to buy out komarov + hickey next offseason. Ladd will probably be sent to robidas - I wouldn’t do this. Skinner is 28 and already on the decline.


Part of me thinks Skinner would bounce back if he wasn’t criminally mishandled, would be extremely risky to buy on that idea though
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Feb. 24, 2021 at 5:03 p.m.
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Noone else wants to riff on the Simpsons reference?

Why was it when I heard the words "anchor" and "contract" I immediately thought of you??

Jeff: I uh um well you see...
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Feb. 24, 2021 at 5:07 p.m.
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Part of me thinks Skinner would bounce back if he wasn’t criminally mishandled, would be extremely risky to buy on that idea though


Yeah I always feel like if Jeff and RNH had been in the inverse situation for the last few years (and careers even) we would think of them very differently

Oddly similar skillsets

Very good puck control and skating fundamentals but the release on their wrist shots is the key part of their skillset, granted RNH a much better passer

It's crazy how lucky RNH has been linemates wise

Jeff meanwhile kinda the inverse
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Feb. 24, 2021 at 5:08 p.m.
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I kinda like Komerov and they could use hickey rn so yeah that works
Feb. 24, 2021 at 5:09 p.m.
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Part of me thinks Skinner would bounce back if he wasn’t criminally mishandled, would be extremely risky to buy on that idea though


He absolutely will, thats why I think someone will take a flyer on him given the right situation and its not going to cost Buffalo 17 1sts as some on here assume
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Feb. 24, 2021 at 5:16 p.m.
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He absolutely will, thats why I think someone will take a flyer on him given the right situation and its not going to cost Buffalo 17 1sts as some on here assume

I think if he does get moved it’s extremely likely the Sabres take back another bad contract
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Feb. 24, 2021 at 8:26 p.m.
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Buf says instant no
Feb. 24, 2021 at 8:49 p.m.
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Buf says instant no


If buffalo goes into a full blown rebuild then this+isles send prospect(?) and no retained salary actually could work since they’d be free in 3 years from the cap instead of 7 although I think skinner has a lot left in him and is just in a terrible situation
Mar. 2, 2021 at 8:37 p.m.
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I kinda like Komerov and they could use hickey rn so yeah that works


Np u can take komarov for free
Mar. 2, 2021 at 8:38 p.m.
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Dont do this at all. Ladd will be on ltir next season and skinner is the 2nd worst contract in the league (bobrovsky).
Mar. 2, 2021 at 8:47 p.m.
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Dont do this at all. Ladd will be on ltir next season and skinner is the 2nd worst contract in the league (bobrovsky).


Jeff Skinner is what he is - an offensive finisher, reliant on others to create opportunities for him.

Skinner has always been that player, and will always be that player.

In 59 games last season, plus 14 games this season, Skinner has just 14 goals. That comes after a 40-goal season that earned him an eight-year contract worth $9 million annually.

It is too simplistic and shortsighted to just look at the goal totals and declare that Skinner is not performing. I would argue that Skinner is overachieving, given the impossible situation Ralph Krueger has put him in.

In the 2019-20 season, Skinner's most common linemates were not an impressive group of offensive creators:

1.) Marcus Johansson (336:03)
2.) Conor Sheary (211:46)
3.) Evan Rodrigues (166:16)
4.) Vladimir Sobotka (160:54)

Despite playing almost entirely with a group of players that averages 36 points per-82 games combined in their careers, Skinner somehow managed to lead the Buffalo Sabres in goals per-60 minutes of ice-time at 5-on-5.

Yes, you read that right.

In the 2019-20 season at 5-on-5, Skinner had the most goals on the Sabres per-60 minutes of ice-time. More than Jack Eichel, Sam Reinhart, and Victor Olofsson.

Skinner produced with subpar help, without getting a proper amount of ice-time.

In 2019-20, Skinner averaged just 13:28 of 5-on-5 ice time per game. His lowest amount in five years.

Fast forward to the 2020-21 season, and Krueger, once again, has put Skinner in an impossible position. From the start of the season, Skinner has skated with Curtis Lazar and Riley Sheahan. Two of the worst offensive players on the team.

The difference this season is Skinner has not scored at all.

However, now is not the time to panic.

Skinner is not experiencing the career decline that Kyle Okposo has gone through, for example.

In fact, Skinner's rate of high-danger scoring chances per-60 minutes this season is actually higher than each of his first two years with the Sabres. This includes his 40-goal season back in the 2018-19 campaign.

Okposo, for comparison, is averaging a career-low 2.01 high-danger scoring chances per-60 minutes. It's a sign that goals are not going to come.

Skinner, meanwhile, is creating nearly triple the scoring chances that Okposo is, with 5.74 per-60 minutes.

Simply put, Skinner is unlucky.

If Krueger was trying to be predictive instead of reactionary, he would be playing Skinner big minutes at the top of the lineup and not sticking him in the press box.

Let's also end this narrative that Skinner doesn't help the Sabres if he's not scoring.

Skinner ranks first on the Sabres per-60 minutes in penalties drawn, takeaways, rebounds created, and he has the third-most blocked shots among forwards.

The shot block total is definitely a fluke, if looking at the rest of Skinner's career, but the other categories are constants in his game.

Getting the most out of Skinner is critical for whoever the Sabres head coach is in the future. He is under contract through 2027 at $9 million per-year. Like it or not, Skinner is here and isn't going anywhere.

It is vital for the head coach to find a way to make it work. Krueger should be doing everything in his power to get Skinner scoring.

So far, Krueger's way of getting the most out of Skinner is to keep him far away from the Sabres' other top offensive players, and then punish him when he doesn't score with a guy who was signed to a PTO (professional tryout) a month ago.

The solution is sitting there right in front of Krueger. It's the only thing he hasn't tried with Skinner since he walked through the door as the head coach in Buffalo - Giving Skinner extended playing time with, at least, one of the top forwards at driving offensive play. That's Eichel, Reinhart and/or Taylor Hall. -
https://www.radio.com/wgr550/sports/sabres/jeff-skinner-is-not-underperforming-he-is-underutilized
Mar. 2, 2021 at 8:53 p.m.
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Jeff Skinner is what he is - an offensive finisher, reliant on others to create opportunities for him.

Skinner has always been that player, and will always be that player.

In 59 games last season, plus 14 games this season, Skinner has just 14 goals. That comes after a 40-goal season that earned him an eight-year contract worth $9 million annually.

It is too simplistic and shortsighted to just look at the goal totals and declare that Skinner is not performing. I would argue that Skinner is overachieving, given the impossible situation Ralph Krueger has put him in.

In the 2019-20 season, Skinner's most common linemates were not an impressive group of offensive creators:

1.) Marcus Johansson (336:03)
2.) Conor Sheary (211:46)
3.) Evan Rodrigues (166:16)
4.) Vladimir Sobotka (160:54)

Despite playing almost entirely with a group of players that averages 36 points per-82 games combined in their careers, Skinner somehow managed to lead the Buffalo Sabres in goals per-60 minutes of ice-time at 5-on-5.

Yes, you read that right.

In the 2019-20 season at 5-on-5, Skinner had the most goals on the Sabres per-60 minutes of ice-time. More than Jack Eichel, Sam Reinhart, and Victor Olofsson.

Skinner produced with subpar help, without getting a proper amount of ice-time.

In 2019-20, Skinner averaged just 13:28 of 5-on-5 ice time per game. His lowest amount in five years.

Fast forward to the 2020-21 season, and Krueger, once again, has put Skinner in an impossible position. From the start of the season, Skinner has skated with Curtis Lazar and Riley Sheahan. Two of the worst offensive players on the team.

The difference this season is Skinner has not scored at all.

However, now is not the time to panic.

Skinner is not experiencing the career decline that Kyle Okposo has gone through, for example.

In fact, Skinner's rate of high-danger scoring chances per-60 minutes this season is actually higher than each of his first two years with the Sabres. This includes his 40-goal season back in the 2018-19 campaign.

Okposo, for comparison, is averaging a career-low 2.01 high-danger scoring chances per-60 minutes. It's a sign that goals are not going to come.

Skinner, meanwhile, is creating nearly triple the scoring chances that Okposo is, with 5.74 per-60 minutes.

Simply put, Skinner is unlucky.

If Krueger was trying to be predictive instead of reactionary, he would be playing Skinner big minutes at the top of the lineup and not sticking him in the press box.

Let's also end this narrative that Skinner doesn't help the Sabres if he's not scoring.

Skinner ranks first on the Sabres per-60 minutes in penalties drawn, takeaways, rebounds created, and he has the third-most blocked shots among forwards.

The shot block total is definitely a fluke, if looking at the rest of Skinner's career, but the other categories are constants in his game.

Getting the most out of Skinner is critical for whoever the Sabres head coach is in the future. He is under contract through 2027 at $9 million per-year. Like it or not, Skinner is here and isn't going anywhere.

It is vital for the head coach to find a way to make it work. Krueger should be doing everything in his power to get Skinner scoring.

So far, Krueger's way of getting the most out of Skinner is to keep him far away from the Sabres' other top offensive players, and then punish him when he doesn't score with a guy who was signed to a PTO (professional tryout) a month ago.

The solution is sitting there right in front of Krueger. It's the only thing he hasn't tried with Skinner since he walked through the door as the head coach in Buffalo - Giving Skinner extended playing time with, at least, one of the top forwards at driving offensive play. That's Eichel, Reinhart and/or Taylor Hall. -
https://www.radio.com/wgr550/sports/sabres/jeff-skinner-is-not-underperforming-he-is-underutilized


Thats very nice but when youre getting paid 9 million long term you have 1 job and 1 only. Score. Thats the only job he has. Drawing penalties is a nice extra, creating turnovers is a nice extra but its not what hes getting paid to do. (Whats a worse contract besides bob)
Mar. 2, 2021 at 8:56 p.m.
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Thats very nice but when youre getting paid 9 million long term you have 1 job and 1 only. Score. Thats the only job he has. Drawing penalties is a nice extra, creating turnovers is a nice extra but its not what hes getting paid to do. (Whats a worse contract besides bob)


Yes the rest of the article talks about that as well
Mar. 2, 2021 at 9:05 p.m.
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Yes the rest of the article talks about that as well


Ok but whats a worse contract
Mar. 2, 2021 at 9:48 p.m.
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Ok but whats a worse contract


Okposo, Karlsson, Vlasic, Johansen off the top of my head
Mar. 2, 2021 at 10:11 p.m.
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Okposo, Karlsson, Vlasic, Johansen off the top of my head


Okposo is making two thirds of what skinner is. And the more youre getting paid the higher the expectations go exponentially and therefore the underperformance. So not okposo. I considered karlsson but if i had skinner i would trade him for karlsson so therefore skinners is worse. I would take johansen over skinner in a heartbeat. Vlasic is an interesting one, and one i never really considered when thinking about the worst contract in the league. I would have to think about that one a little more.
 
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