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Hertl

Created by: Richard88
Initial Creation Date: Feb 24, 2021
Published: Feb 24 at 7:40
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Team Explanation
This is the sort of move a team with serious playoff ambitions would make, Pierre Lacroix style.
Trades
COL
  1. Hertl, Tomas ($1,125,000 retained)
  2. Nieto, Matt
Additional Details:
Avs get a 2C in his prime for 2 playoff runs.

Nieto is included to balance contracts and give the Avs a cheap depth player after moving 3 forwards out.
SJS
  1. Compher, J.T.
  2. Jost, Tyson
  3. Kaut, Martin
  4. Timmins, Conor
  5. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
San Jose receive:
- 2 RHS RW's (Kaut and Compher) which fills SJ's biggest need given that the only RHS on their team is Labanc);
- a young bottom 6 forward with excellent defense and PKing (Jost);
- an NHL ready RHD with top 4 projection.
- 1st round pick

Ages: Compher (25), Timmins (22), Jost (22), Kaut (21).

All these players are at a perfect age for San Jose, as they can all jump straight into the lineup immediately, thereby allowing San Jose to rebuild on the fly without waiting several years for draft picks or younger prospects to mature.
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Ian Cole: $800,000 (19%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
COL
COL
COL
COL
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2023
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$79,121,429$0$5,000,000$2,378,571
Left WingCenterRight Wing
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
$5,571,429
LW, C
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000
RW
UFA - 5
COL
Burakovsky, André
$4,900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
$4,500,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Saad, Brandon
$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
COL
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Donskoi, Joonas
$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
SJS
Nieto, Matt
$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
COL
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
$1,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
COL
Calvert, Matt
$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Toews, Devon
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 4
COL
Makar, Cale
$880,833
RD
RFA - 1
COL
Grubauer, Philipp
$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
COL
Byram, Bowen
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
COL
Girard, Samuel
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 7
COL
Francouz, Pavel
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
COL
Graves, Ryan
$3,166,667
LD
UFA - 3
COL
Johnson, Erik
$6,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
Taxi Squad
COL
O'Connor, Logan
$725,000 ($0)
RW
RFA - 2
COL
Sherwood, Kiefer
$750,000 ($0)
RW, C
RFA - 1
COL
Bowers, Shane
$925,000 ($0)
C
RFA - 2
COL
Pateryn, Greg
$2,250,000 ($1,175,000)
RD
UFA - 1
COL
MacDonald, Jacob
$725,000 ($0)
LD
UFA - 2
COL
Werner, Adam
$842,500 ($0)
G
RFA - 1

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Feb 24 at 7:53
#1
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Looking ahead, in the offseason Newhook replaces Saad, and O'Connor and Bowers replace Bellemare and Calvert. Graves gets taken by Seattle and is replaced by a cheap UFA or via trade.

Expansion Draft protection (7+3+1):
- Mackinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Hertl, Burakovsky, Kadri, Nichuskin
- Makar, Girard, Toews
- Grubauer

Exposed: Donskoi, O'Connor*, Graves, Johnson (waives NMC), Francouz

* O'Connor needs to play another 22 of the next 41 games to reach the 27 game threshold to meet the criteria as one of the two forwards exposed, but he should easily reach that as 12th or 13th forward. If he doesn't then Nichuskin gets exposed instead.
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Feb 24 at 7:55
#2
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Funny how the most seemingly straightforward moves have hidden ramifications. (Very well constructed trade, by the way, but I've come to expect that from you.)

If Erik Johnson waives his NMC for purposes of the expansion draft, no problem: you get to protect all of your forwards plus your three most valuable defensemen without further drama. (Of course, you'd have to acquire some cannon fodder to supply the necessary qualified forwards, but that shouldn't be too hard.). But if Johnson DOESN'T waive, you'd have some skillful maneuvering to do.

Edit: HAH! As I was typing, so were you.
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Feb 24 at 7:57
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Funny how the most seemingly straightforward moves have hidden ramifications. (Very well constructed trade, by the way, but I've come to expect that from you.)

If Erik Johnson waives his NMC for purposes of the expansion draft, no problem: you get to protect all of your forwards plus your three most valuable defensemen without further drama. (Of course, you'd have to acquire some cannon fodder to supply the necessary qualified forwards, but that shouldn't be too hard.). But if Johnson DOESN'T waive, you'd have some skillful maneuvering to do.

Edit: HAH! As I was typing, so were you.


Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!

Erik Johnson knows he won't get taken by Seattle so he has no reason not to waive. But if he doesn't he'll force Sakic's hand and he'll get traded to one of the 19 teams on his trade list, or just simply bought out.
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Feb 24 at 8:10
#4
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God damnit dude we are not trading Hertl!!
I’d doesn’t matter that your trade is very reasonable and logical and if I was GM I would at least consider this and maybe counter asking for your 22 1st instead.

I hate that our GM is to arrogant to look at the big picture and realize he needs to make better choices and start the rebuild.

This is fair and reasonable but the sharks in the end decline because A. Hertl is our biggest fan favorite and it would hurt ticket sales and marketing to let him go, and B Wilson thinks we can still be a cup contender.
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Feb 24 at 8:23
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
God damnit dude we are not trading Hertl!!
I’d doesn’t matter that your trade is very reasonable and logical and if I was GM I would at least consider this and maybe counter asking for your 22 1st instead.

I hate that our GM is to arrogant to look at the big picture and realize he needs to make better choices and start the rebuild.

This is fair and reasonable but the sharks in the end decline because A. Hertl is our biggest fan favorite and it would hurt ticket sales and marketing to let him go, and B Wilson thinks we can still be a cup contender.


I'm sorry if I offended San Jose fans somehow by making this proposal. Has Wilson explicitly come out and said that Hertl isn't moving at any cost, or what makes you so adamant that he's not getting traded?

I was initially looking at San Jose as a potential destination for Compher if we were to move him, but then I realised that you'd need to move a contract to make it work. SJ's cap situation is pretty bad to say the least, with only $10.5m in space in the offseason and half a roster to fill. Something will have to give, and Hertl's contract looks like the easiest and most obvious to move given his soon-to-be UFA status.

That being the case I figured that 3 young NHLer's + Compher would be a decent way for San Jose to start to fill out their lineup with solid young players again to try to be competitive sooner rather than later, even if it costs them a 2C. They simply can't continue with this bottom 6 and D and expect to be competitive.

Wilson must by now surely be realising that San Jose don't have a hope of making the playoffs or doing any damage even if they got there and got to face Vegas or Colorado in round 1. San Jose need to kickstart a rebuild asap if they're going to have any hope of being competitive within the timeframe of Burns and Karlsson's contracts.

Regarding the 1st, is there a reason why you want it to be 2022 instead? Better draft and more scouted presumably? I don't really mind either way. Also happy to include both 1st's instead of one of Kaut/Timmins if you prefer that too.
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Feb 24 at 8:35
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Quoting: Richard88
I'm sorry if I offended San Jose fans somehow by making this proposal. Has Wilson explicitly come out and said that Hertl isn't moving at any cost, or what makes you so adamant that he's not getting traded?

I was initially looking at San Jose as a potential destination for Compher if we were to move him, but then I realised that you'd need to move a contract to make it work. SJ's cap situation is pretty bad to say the least, with only $10.5m in space in the offseason and half a roster to fill. Something will have to give, and Hertl's contract looks like the easiest and most obvious to move given his soon-to-be UFA status.

That being the case I figured that 3 young NHLer's + Compher would be a decent way for San Jose to start to fill out their lineup with solid young players again to try to be competitive sooner rather than later, even if it costs them a 2C. They simply can't continue with this bottom 6 and D and expect to be competitive.

Wilson must by now surely be realising that San Jose don't have a hope of making the playoffs or doing any damage even if they got there and got to face Vegas or Colorado in round 1. San Jose need to kickstart a rebuild asap if they're going to have any hope of being competitive within the timeframe of Burns and Karlsson's contracts.

Regarding the 1st, is there a reason why you want it to be 2022 instead? Better draft and more scouted presumably? I don't really mind either way. Also happy to include both 1st's instead of one of Kaut/Timmins if you prefer that too.


Lol I’m sorry you totally didn’t offend me or any sharks fan! It’s a fair trade and I would consider it but the sharks won’t! I’m more mad at out GM not this post.

I agree with everything you said above, your very logical and I feel like you deserve an apology as I was trying to be funny not rude.
As for trading Hertl here is the article where Doug says he won’t trade Hertl.

https://nhltradetalk.com/san-jose-sharks-will-keep-tomas-hertl/

And 21 draft only has like 2/3 top end talents and a lot of middling prospects 22 is suppose to put 20 draft to shame with its depth and quality.
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Feb 24 at 8:39
#7
Lankinen for Hart
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Seems Fair
Feb 24 at 8:58
#8
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I would attempt to replace Timmins with Helleson and Jost with Bowers, because sometimes Mr. Right Now is more important than Mr. Right. Otherwise it might be worth it.

It's kinda funny you posted this as I actually thought about trying something similar with Horvat. In the end I decided it was too early to go there and that I didn't want to take the wrath of backlash that would be associated with posting it, lol.
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Feb 24 at 10:47
#9
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I don’t mind this but I’m not sure how to feel overall. I like Kaut and Timmins. Jost is pretty okay as well, but honestly I don’t think Compher has much positive value at his cap hit anymore. The first is nice for sure as well.

Overall I just think a prospect with more high end offensive talent would be nice rather than a large quantity of players who are all most realistically bottom 6/bottom 4 players. But a solid offer nonetheless.
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