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Lindholm and Gaudreau

Created by: Eli
Initial Creation Date: Feb 25, 2021
Published: Feb 25 at 12:23
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
On the CGY side, someone suggested Nylander for Lindholm this morning. That's not fair because Nylander is two years younger, more consistent on offense, just as good on defense, with a higher ceiling in terms of his potential if he plays top line and top power play. It wouldn't move the needle for Toronto.

But Toronto could use a #1LW, maybe? It wouldn't hurt to add one.

Does this look fair? If not, who adds what?
Trades
TOR
  1. Lindholm, Elias
  2. Gaudreau, Johnny ($1,137,634 retained)
Additional Details:
(retained so the cap balances exactly)
CGY
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,024,741$0$0$475,259
Left WingCenterRight Wing
CGY
Gaudreau, Johnny
$5,612,366
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
CGY
Lindholm, Elias
$4,850,000
RW, C
UFA - 4
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Boyd, Travis
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Sabourin, Scott
$700,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Woll, Joseph
$800,000
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$725,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,125
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
TOR
Galchenyuk, Alex
$1,050,000 ($0)
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000 ($0)
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000 ($0)
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000 ($0)
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Feb 25 at 12:25
#1
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Not even close
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Feb 25 at 12:25
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Not even close


Leafs add a lot
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Feb 25 at 12:26
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JRob for Calder
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Big no from the Flames
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Feb 25 at 12:27
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What in tarnation
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Disaster for Flames. Lindholm for Nylander is more or less a wash, so it's technically Kerfoot+2nd for Gaudreau.
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Feb 25 at 12:29
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Who adds what?
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Edited Feb 25 at 12:35
Quoting: justaBoss
Disaster for Flames. Lindholm for Nylander is more or less a wash, so it's technically Kerfoot+2nd for Gaudreau.


How? Nylander's slightly better at defense and offense, except for the one year that Lindholm was a stopgap on Calgary's top power play unit and got a lot of easy points.

Nylander has three years over 20 goals and 45 points, without really cracking his team's top power play. Lindholm has one year at that level (and added a ton of PPP that year). Calgary can overrate him off of that, if they want to, but then the Leafs are keeping Nylander, who is younger, just as good defensively, and has a higher ceiling offensively.
Feb 25 at 12:29
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Moderators Are Soft
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That's a hell of a sexy trade for the Leafs. Can't see Calgary having any interest in that.
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Feb 25 at 12:29
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Jack Hughes is Elite
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Quoting: Eli
How? Nylander's slightly better at defense and offense, except for the one year that Lindholm was a stopgap on Calgary's top power play unit and got a lot of easy points.


Nylander is better at defense??
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Feb 25 at 12:30
#8
What in tarnation
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Quoting: Eli
How? Nylander's slightly better at defense and offense, except for the one year that Lindholm was a stopgap on Calgary's top power play unit and got a lot of easy points.


Lindholm's better on defense. Last three years combined Lindholm has more points. And lastly Lindholm's ability to play C makes him invaluable for Flames.

Sorry but this is an easy no.
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Feb 25 at 12:33
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Quoting: Eli
How? Nylander's slightly better at defense and offense, except for the one year that Lindholm was a stopgap on Calgary's top power play unit and got a lot of easy points.


Nylandre is slightly better at defense? i dont think Flames would consider a lindholm for nylander straight up, then factor in Gaudreau for kerfoot n a second and thats not even remotely close. That pick would need to be a first, with either a prospect and or another pick probably atleast a 3rd
Feb 25 at 12:46
#10
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In fairness it's not Kerfoot for Bennett but it sure is worse! This is outrageously bad for the Flames
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Feb 25 at 12:49
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Thread Starter
Who adds what?
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Leafs add a lot


Maybe... but Nylander's got better puck possession and much more consistent offense than Lindholm, and he's two years younger, and would be a better option as a #1C between Tkachuk and Mangiapane for the next decade, so really, they might not have to add much.
Feb 25 at 12:50
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Quoting: Eli
Maybe... but Nylander's got better puck possession and much more consistent offense than Lindholm, and he's two years younger, and would be a better option as a #1C between Tkachuk and Mangiapane for the next decade, so really, they might not have to add much.


Lindholm is our best contract and Gaudreau has been our best skater this year
Feb 25 at 12:51
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Beanmachine
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Quoting: Eli
Maybe... but Nylander's got better puck possession and much more consistent offense than Lindholm, and he's two years younger, and would be a better option as a #1C between Tkachuk and Mangiapane for the next decade, so really, they might not have to add much.


Delusional
Feb 25 at 12:57
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Thread Starter
Who adds what?
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Quoting: justaBoss
Lindholm's better on defense. Last three years combined Lindholm has more points. And lastly Lindholm's ability to play C makes him invaluable for Flames.

Sorry but this is an easy no.


Lindholm hits more, but still not very much. Nylander has better corsi. Both are pretty good on PK and faceoffs. Since the start of last season, Nylander has nine more even strength points than Lindholm. Nine more. Yeah, Lindholm had one big year. But that's all he's really shown. Nylander's pretty consistently on a 60 point pace, without significant power play time. A Flames fan posted asking what it would take to get him. This is what I think it would take. I'm not even much of Leafs fan. Just a realist. Feel free to counter, but I didn't start this conversation, and I don't care where Nylander plays.
Feb 25 at 12:57
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Thread Starter
Who adds what?
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Quoting: InTreWeTrust
Delusional


I'm not even reporting the abuse, but maybe read the rules, here, because they suspend people for calling each other "stupid."
Feb 25 at 1:10
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Felix The Cat
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NO thanks...cheers
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Feb 26 at 12:47
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Beanmachine
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Quoting: Eli
I'm not even reporting the abuse, but maybe read the rules, here, because they suspend people for calling each other "stupid."


I will cut you some slack cause there is a good chance you are not yet in high school but for future reference:

Delusional - adjective
having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions
i.e. Senators who think they will get agreement on a comprehensive tax bill are delusional.

Not sure where you read stupid into this but please feel free to report the “abuse”
 
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