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Trading for a LHD

Created by: tkecanuck341
Initial Creation Date: Feb 26, 2021
Published: Feb 26 at 6:34
Team: 2020-21 Los Angeles Kings
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Given Blake's recent interview on the Fox and Faust podcast, I don't believe the rumors to be true that LA is looking for a "dynamic LHD under 25." However, if they are true, there's a couple guys that the Kings could be interested in.

What do you think these guys would cost? One or the other, not both.
Trades
LAK
  1. Hanifin, Noah
CGY
    ????
    LAK
    1. Theodore, Shea
    VGK
      ?????
      Buyouts
      • Dion Phaneuf: $4,062,500
      Retained Salary Transactions
      • Jeff Carter: $2,636,363 (50%)
      Termination Fees
      • Mike Richards: $700,000
      • Ilya Kovalchuk: $6,250,000
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2021
      LAK
      LAK
      STL
      LAK
      TOR
      LAK
      CGY
      LAK
      LAK
      2022
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      2023
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      LAK
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      24$81,500,000$81,595,952$0$2,732,500-$95,952
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      LAK
      Iafallo, Alex
      $2,425,000
      LW, C
      UFA - 1
      LAK
      Kopitar, Anze
      $10,000,000
      C
      NTC
      UFA - 4
      LAK
      Brown, Dustin
      $5,875,000
      RW, LW
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      LAK
      Kempe, Adrian
      $2,000,000
      LW, RW
      RFA - 2
      LAK
      Vilardi, Gabriel
      $894,167
      C
      RFA - 2
      LAK
      Carter, Jeff
      $2,636,364
      C, RW
      UFA - 2
      LAK
      Grundström, Carl
      $725,000
      LW
      RFA - 2
      LAK
      Anderson-Dolan, Jaret
      $747,500
      C
      RFA - 2
      LAK
      Moore, Trevor
      $775,000
      RW, LW
      RFA - 1
      LAK
      Athanasiou, Andreas
      $1,200,000
      C, LW, RW
      RFA - 1
      LAK
      Lizotte, Blake
      $925,000
      C
      RFA - 1
      LAK
      Wagner, Austin
      $1,133,333
      RW, LW
      RFA - 3
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      LAK
      Anderson, Michael
      $925,000
      LD
      RFA - 2
      LAK
      Doughty, Drew
      $11,000,000
      RD
      NMC
      UFA - 7
      LAK
      Quick, Jonathan
      $5,800,000
      G
      UFA - 3
      LAK
      Björnfot, Tobias
      $894,167
      LD
      RFA - 3
      LAK
      Roy, Matt
      $700,000
      RD
      UFA - 1
      LAK
      Petersen, Cal
      $858,333
      G
      UFA - 2
      VGK
      Theodore, Shea
      $5,200,000
      LD/RD
      UFA - 5
      LAK
      Walker, Sean
      $2,650,000
      RD
      UFA - 4
      CGY
      Hanifin, Noah
      $4,950,000
      LD
      UFA - 4
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      LAK
      Amadio, Michael
      $700,000
      C, RW
      RFA - 1
      LAK
      Frk, Martin
      $725,000
      RW
      UFA - 2
      LAK
      Määttä, Olli
      $3,333,225
      LD
      UFA - 2
      LAK
      MacDermid, Kurtis
      $875,000
      LD/RD
      UFA - 2
      Taxi Squad
      LAK
      Andersson, Lias
      $894,166 ($0)
      C, LW
      RFA - 1
      LAK
      Kupari, Rasmus
      $863,333 ($0)
      C, LW, RW
      RFA - 3
      LAK
      Imama, Bokondji
      $735,000 ($0)
      LW
      RFA - 1
      LAK
      Strand, Austin
      $735,000 ($0)
      RD
      RFA - 1
      LAK
      Rymsha, Drake
      $733,333 ($0)
      C
      RFA - 1
      LAK
      Grosenick, Troy
      $700,000 ($0)
      G
      UFA - 1

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      Feb 26 at 6:36
      #1
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      Hanifin isn't getting traded
      Feb 26 at 6:38
      #2
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      Quoting: Gmonwy
      Hanifin isn't getting traded


      Even if the Kings are offering a 1st + Turcotte? I'm not saying they would, but every player has a price.
      Feb 26 at 6:39
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      Theodore will cost more than you're willing to give up
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      Feb 26 at 6:40
      #4
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      Quoting: TheAlien
      Theodore will cost more than you're willing to give up


      For example?
      Feb 26 at 6:41
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      For example?


      Byfield 1st+
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      Feb 26 at 6:42
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      Theodore's in the TOP10 of D-men value, considering his contract and his play.

      Most likely gonna cost you Byfield+, which in all likelihood will make LA drop their interest.

      Do Kings even need another D-men though? They already have 4 D-men to protect in the ExD...
      Feb 26 at 6:42
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      wanna Jake Gardiner or Brady Skjei?
      Feb 26 at 6:43
      #8
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      Quoting: TheAlien
      Byfield 1st+


      Considering that's the current asking price for Jack Eichel, that seems unlikely.

      I could see something like 1st + Kempe + Kupari/Madden though.
      Feb 26 at 6:44
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      Considering that's the current asking price for Jack Eichel, that seems unlikely.

      I could see something like 1st + Kempe + Kupari/Madden though.


      Theodore is a young top 15 dman on an absolute steal of a contract. Vegas hangs up if you don't start with Byfield
      Feb 26 at 6:44
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      Quoting: justaBoss
      Theodore's in the TOP10 of D-men value, considering his contract and his play.

      Most likely gonna cost you Byfield+, which in all likelihood will make LA drop their interest.

      Do Kings even need another D-men though? They already have 4 D-men to protect in the ExD...


      Probably not, read the description. This is all based off a rumor reported by Dreger a couple days ago.

      Kings eye dynamic, left-shot D in trade
      Feb 26 at 6:45
      #11
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      Even if the Kings are offering a 1st + Turcotte? I'm not saying they would, but every player has a price.


      Our LD depth would be trash. Gio Valimaki(not top 4 ready IMO) Kylington isn't top 4 material. We have No one to replace him
      Feb 26 at 6:48
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      Quoting: Gmonwy
      Our LD depth would be trash. Gio Valimaki(not top 4 ready IMO) Kylington isn't top 4 material. We have No one to replace him


      I would imagine there would need to be other moves on Calgary's end to shore up the defense if this were to happen. Gaudreau could probably fetch a quality defenseman in return.
      Feb 26 at 6:48
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      Expectations : Theodore, Hanifin
      Reality : Victor Mete

      On a more serious note, Theodore is undoubtedly one of the assets with the most value in hockey. He's a future Norris winner signed at 5m$ for multiple years.
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      Feb 26 at 6:50
      #14
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      I saw the news about this interview. How close is LA to turning the corner? They might just be better off using their early round picks this year on a few LHD.

      I'm not sure a dynamic LHD is something any franchise just trades away.
      Feb 26 at 6:53
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      Quoting: CoopsTroops
      I saw the news about this interview. How close is LA to turning the corner? They might just be better off using their early round picks this year on a few LHD.

      I'm not sure a dynamic LHD is something any franchise just trades away.


      Playoffs next year, Cup contender by 2023-24, assuming they can make a couple trades to fill in some gaps. If they stand pat and go with with all prospects, it's probably a season or two after that before they're ready to compete.

      I don't disagree, but that's the rumor.
      Feb 26 at 6:55
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      Quoting: SevenLeg
      Expectations : Theodore, Hanifin
      Reality : Victor Mete

      On a more serious note, Theodore is undoubtedly one of the assets with the most value in hockey. He's a future Norris winner signed at 5m$ for multiple years.


      I think he's definitely up there, but I don't think he has as much value as guys like Werenski or Sergachev.
      Feb 26 at 7:01
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      Theodore is on pace to be a Norris contender, in his prime, on a good contract for some term on a contender. Why would he be available?
      Feb 26 at 7:01
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      I think he's definitely up there, but I don't think he has as much value as guys like Werenski or Sergachev.


      I think he has tbh, and I'd give him the edge because of the contract. I don't know how much you are into analytics, but Theodore's market value, according to them, is 9,23m$, while being in the first percentile in terms of quality of the competition. Sergachev's is 6,2m$ and Werenski's, in a down year, is 3,84m$
      Feb 26 at 7:02
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      Considering that's the current asking price for Jack Eichel, that seems unlikely.

      I could see something like 1st + Kempe + Kupari/Madden though.


      That's the start of an Eichel trade

      But it isn't just value in isolation. It's value to the two teams. Why is Vegas signing a top pairing guy in his prime for futures?
      Feb 26 at 7:02
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      Quoting: BCAPP
      Theodore is on pace to be a Norris contender, in his prime, on a good contract for some term on a contender. Why would he be available?


      Because the Kings would pay a hefty price of 1st round picks and/or talented inexpensive prospects for him (e.g. Turcotte, Kaliyev, ****emo, Kupari, etc.)
      Feb 26 at 7:05
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      Quoting: SevenLeg
      I think he has tbh, and I'd give him the edge because of the contract. I don't know how much you are into analytics, but Theodore's market value, according to them, is 9,23m$, while being in the first percentile in terms of quality of the competition. Sergachev's is 6,2m$ and Werenski's, in a down year, is 3,84m$


      He's done a lot more in his career than sergachev.
      Feb 26 at 7:06
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      Because the Kings would pay a hefty price of 1st round picks and/or talented inexpensive prospects for him (e.g. Turcotte, Kaliyev, ****emo, Kupari, etc.)


      But why do they want that when they're competing right now? It just doesn't make sense. They're trying to win. Trading your prime aged #1 LD (frankly #1d he's playing better than Pietro) for futures makes no sense
      Feb 26 at 7:10
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      Quoting: BCAPP
      But why do they want that when they're competing right now? It just doesn't make sense. They're trying to win. Trading your prime aged #1 LD (frankly #1d he's playing better than Pietro) for futures makes no sense


      Not necessarily just futures. They could ask for quality inexpensive roster players also/instead. Guys like Kempe, Vilardi, Bjornfot, Anderson, etc. Gives Vegas cap flexibility to improve elsewhere in the lineup as well.
      Feb 26 at 7:12
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      Not necessarily just futures. They could ask for quality inexpensive roster players also/instead. Guys like Kempe, Vilardi, Bjornfot, Anderson, etc. Gives Vegas cap flexibility to improve elsewhere in the lineup as well.


      But they are super weakening themselves at one of the most important positions.

      This is like someone offering you a trade for Doughty in the middle of your contending years. It just doesn't make sense
      Feb 26 at 7:20
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      Quoting: BCAPP
      But they are super weakening themselves at one of the most important positions.

      This is like someone offering you a trade for Doughty in the middle of your contending years. It just doesn't make sense


      If the Kings were up against the cap and weak at some other positions, then I think they would consider it, especially if they had a Pietrangelo equivalent on the top pair already. Let's say you move out Theodore, but add Bjornfot, Kempe, and Vilardi. You clear $3M in cap space for other improvements while strengthening your middle six on offense.
       
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