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Different LD ideas

Created by: ZiggyPalffy
Initial Creation Date: Feb 26, 2021
Published: Feb 26 at 11:14
Team: 2020-21 Los Angeles Kings
Trades
LAK
  1. Ekholm, Mattias
  2. Fabbro, Dante
NSH
  1. 2021 1st round pick (LAK)
Alex Turcotte
Akil Thomas
Jordan Spence


Sean Walker would have to be traded, but he could be packaged in a trade for a RW upgrade.
LAK
    Dahlin
    BUF
      Turcotte
      2021 1st round pick
      LAK
        Werenski
        CBJ
          Turcotte
          Grans
          2021 1st round pick

          Maybe more? Idk.
          LAK
            Romanov

            Not sure what to add.
            MTL
              Turcotte
              LAK
                Fox
                Lindgren
                NYR
                  Turcotte
                  Grans
                  Maatta
                  2021 1st round pick

                  Probably a little more.
                  LAK
                    Pettersson
                    PIT
                      Carter 50% retained.
                      LAK
                        Dunn
                        STL
                          2021 1st round pick

                          Definitely don't like this one.
                          LAK
                            Sergachev
                            TBL
                              Turcotte
                              Clague
                              LAK
                                Chychrun
                                ARI
                                  2021 1st round pick
                                  2021 3rd round pick
                                  Buyouts
                                  • Dion Phaneuf: $4,062,500
                                  Retained Salary Transactions
                                  • Jeff Carter: $2,636,363 (50%)
                                  Termination Fees
                                  • Mike Richards: $700,000
                                  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $6,250,000
                                  DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                                  2021
                                  LAK
                                  STL
                                  LAK
                                  TOR
                                  LAK
                                  CGY
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  2022
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  2023
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                                  23$81,500,000$76,120,952$0$3,582,500$5,379,048
                                  Left WingCenterRight Wing
                                  LAK
                                  Iafallo, Alex
                                  $2,425,000
                                  LW, C
                                  UFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Kopitar, Anze
                                  $10,000,000
                                  C
                                  NTC
                                  UFA - 4
                                  LAK
                                  Brown, Dustin
                                  $5,875,000
                                  RW, LW
                                  NTC
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Kempe, Adrian
                                  $2,000,000
                                  LW, RW
                                  RFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Vilardi, Gabriel
                                  $894,167
                                  C
                                  RFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Carter, Jeff
                                  $2,636,364
                                  C, RW
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Athanasiou, Andreas
                                  $1,200,000
                                  C, LW, RW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Lizotte, Blake
                                  $925,000
                                  C
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Wagner, Austin
                                  $1,133,333
                                  RW, LW
                                  RFA - 3
                                  LAK
                                  Grundström, Carl
                                  $725,000
                                  LW
                                  RFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Amadio, Michael
                                  $700,000
                                  C, RW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Moore, Trevor
                                  $775,000
                                  RW, LW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                                  NSH
                                  Ekholm, Mattias
                                  $3,750,000
                                  LD
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Doughty, Drew
                                  $11,000,000
                                  RD
                                  NMC
                                  UFA - 7
                                  LAK
                                  Quick, Jonathan
                                  $5,800,000
                                  G
                                  UFA - 3
                                  LAK
                                  Anderson, Michael
                                  $925,000
                                  LD
                                  RFA - 2
                                  NSH
                                  Fabbro, Dante
                                  $925,000
                                  RD
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Petersen, Cal
                                  $858,333
                                  G
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Björnfot, Tobias
                                  $894,167
                                  LD
                                  RFA - 3
                                  LAK
                                  Roy, Matt
                                  $700,000
                                  RD
                                  UFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Walker, Sean
                                  $2,650,000
                                  RD
                                  UFA - 4
                                  ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                                  LAK
                                  Määttä, Olli
                                  $3,333,225
                                  LD
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Anderson-Dolan, Jaret
                                  $747,500
                                  C
                                  RFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  MacDermid, Kurtis
                                  $875,000
                                  LD/RD
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Frk, Martin
                                  $725,000
                                  RW
                                  UFA - 2
                                  Taxi Squad
                                  LAK
                                  Andersson, Lias
                                  $894,166 ($0)
                                  C, LW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Imama, Bokondji
                                  $735,000 ($0)
                                  LW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Kupari, Rasmus
                                  $863,333 ($0)
                                  C, LW, RW
                                  RFA - 3
                                  LAK
                                  Luff, Matt
                                  $700,000 ($0)
                                  RW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Strand, Austin
                                  $735,000 ($0)
                                  RD
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Rymsha, Drake
                                  $733,333 ($0)
                                  C
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Grosenick, Troy
                                  $700,000 ($0)
                                  G
                                  UFA - 1

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                                  Feb 26 at 11:16
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                                  MTL aren’t trading Romanov for a Prospect but I do think Turcotte have more value than Romanov
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                                  Feb 26 at 11:18
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                                  Quoting: GMs
                                  MTL aren’t trading Romanov for a Prospect but I do think Turcotte have more value than Romanov


                                  Yeah some of these are unrealistic. Especially the Buffalo and CBJ ones.
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                                  Feb 26 at 11:23
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                                  @csick @OldNYIfan @tryger

                                  Thoughts? Some are obviously farfetched. My value might be off on a few.

                                  I know this sounds crazy, but I think the Nashville one is my favorite. Kings get a temporary good 1LD to play with Doughty while Anderson and Bjornfot develop with easier minutes as well as adding a #2RD that could potentially replace Doughty some day.
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                                  Feb 26 at 11:25
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                                  Do you want responses to the trades as if most of the guys you've included are actually available from their teams, or do you want realistic responses?
                                  Feb 26 at 11:26
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                                  The caliber of players you are targeting you rarely get in trades. They have to be prospects outside of the NHL, or you have to draft them... that’s just my take.
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                                  Feb 26 at 11:26
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                                  I thought LA was content with their LD long term? Every time I make a Kings AGM thread getting a different LD, I get swarmed by angry kings fans who say they have absolutely no desire for a solution on their back end.
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                                  Feb 26 at 11:32
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  csick OldNYIfan tryger

                                  Thoughts? Some are obviously farfetched. My value might be off on a few.

                                  I know this sounds crazy, but I think the Nashville one is my favorite. Kings get a temporary good 1LD to play with Doughty while Anderson and Bjornfot develop with easier minutes as well as adding a #2RD that could potentially replace Doughty some day.


                                  I'm a Preds fan who doesn't want to trade Fabbro, but I'd take this trade.
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                                  Feb 26 at 11:33
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                                  Do you mean fox AND lindgren or fox OR lindgren
                                  Feb 26 at 11:38
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                                  Quoting: Wqrrior
                                  I thought LA was content with their LD long term? Every time I make a Kings AGM thread getting a different LD, I get swarmed by angry kings fans who say they have absolutely no desire for a solution on their back end.


                                  We are. Apparently upper management is content long term at RD with Doughty, Roy, Walker which I am strongly against.

                                  Long term Bjornfot, Anderson, Clague is fine, but it looks like they want to upgrade now.
                                  Feb 26 at 11:38
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                                  Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
                                  Do you mean fox AND lindgren or fox OR lindgren


                                  Both, but like I said, I still need to add.
                                  Feb 26 at 11:39
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  csick OldNYIfan tryger

                                  Thoughts? Some are obviously farfetched. My value might be off on a few.

                                  I know this sounds crazy, but I think the Nashville one is my favorite. Kings get a temporary good 1LD to play with Doughty while Anderson and Bjornfot develop with easier minutes as well as adding a #2RD that could potentially replace Doughty some day.


                                  Turcotte needs to stay, the advantage the Kings have before next season is (1) several teams will be against the cap (2) several teams have a defensive player that will likely be lost to Seattle that could potentially be more valuable for the Kings to protect over Walker (3) The Kings are a large market team on the upswing offering a player the opportunity to eat minutes with Doughty. I know Blake is looking for a young defenseman but I think we actually need a vet shut down guy with Doughty, grabbing an Alexander Elder or Mattias Ekholm would work better and cheaper. Kings use their first this year to pick up that LD, by the time the vet is done our defenseman should be ready to play.
                                  Feb 26 at 11:39
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                                  Quoting: Stan_Bowman
                                  The caliber of players you are targeting you rarely get in trades. They have to be prospects outside of the NHL, or you have to draft them... that’s just my take.


                                  Rumor has it that Rob Blake wants a "Dynamic LD 25 or under"
                                  Feb 26 at 11:40
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  Both, but like I said, I still need to add.


                                  Fox isn't for sale
                                  Feb 26 at 11:41
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                                  Quoting: tryger
                                  Turcotte needs to stay, the advantage the Kings have before next season is (1) several teams will be against the cap (2) several teams have a defensive player that will likely be lost to Seattle that could potentially be more valuable for the Kings to protect over Walker (3) The Kings are a large market team on the upswing offering a player the opportunity to eat minutes with Doughty. I know Blake is looking for a young defenseman but I think we actually need a vet shut down guy with Doughty, grabbing an Alexander Elder or Mattias Ekholm would work better and cheaper. Kings use their first this year to pick up that LD, by the time the vet is done our defenseman should be ready to play.


                                  If we have to use this years 1st for an older vet then we might as well go big or go home and add Turcotte for something substantial.
                                  Feb 26 at 11:42
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                                  Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
                                  Fox isn't for sale


                                  I know, some of these are unrealistic. Given the RD depth and lack of C depth NYR has I figured I'd give something like that a look.
                                  Feb 26 at 11:43
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  I know, some of these are unrealistic. Given the RD depth and lack of C depth NYR has I figured I'd give something like that a look.


                                  Fox is just a non starter, its like the pens trading crosby in 2012 instead of staal
                                  Feb 26 at 11:46
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  If we have to use this years 1st for an older vet then we might as well go big or go home and add Turcotte for something substantial.


                                  I don't think so, the vet more would be free agency next year. Even with the streak Blake seems to believe we are still rebuilding and not yet buyers. If we make a move I think it will be a team sending a cap dump but it's still a player we could use. They looked lost in today's game, so I somewhat agree that we aren't there yet, but we are on the right track. However if we can get a bonafide top line player I'm ok moving pieces
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                                  Feb 27 at 12:42
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                                  I get what your trying to do and the offer isn’t terrible, but Fox is literally our best d man on a d core that isn’t great. Can’t see him being moved at all considering he’s our number 1 defenseman and is only 22. Dude has the potential to be the best defenseman we’ve in 20 years (not saying he’ll be as good as Leetch, but I could see him being better than prime McDonagh at his peak).
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                                  Feb 27 at 1:06
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                                  I'm honestly really tempted.
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                                  Feb 27 at 1:06
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  We are. Apparently upper management is content long term at RD with Doughty, Roy, Walker which I am strongly against.

                                  Long term Bjornfot, Anderson, Clague is fine, but it looks like they want to upgrade now.


                                  This is where I believed LA's management would be assessing things. Of Anderson, Clague and Bjornfot only the latter is someone I would consider to likely be a real top-4 going forward, and he is not a dynamic D.

                                  Of the LD you mentioned: Ekholm is well above 25, Dahlin won't be traded, Werenski...can't see it, Romanov - no way (but Mete will probably be traded), Lindgren...I guess it is possible (but certainly not Fox, who is a RD anyway), Sergachev - no way Tampa is trading that kind of piece, Chychrun - can't see it, Pettersson - who knows with Pitts right now, but is he really a "dynamic" D?, and Dunn - probably.

                                  So among the candidates you listed I really only see Dunn as a real possibility.

                                  But I would add Mete, Bean and Butcher. And, personally, I would also add Sandin .
                                  Feb 27 at 1:07
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                                  Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
                                  I'm honestly really tempted.


                                  Will Akil Thomas put the icing on the cake?wink
                                  Feb 27 at 1:10
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  Will Akil Thomas put the icing on the cake?wink


                                  Maybesarcasm
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                                  Feb 27 at 1:15
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                                  Quoting: Miles_Togo
                                  This is where I believed LA's management would be assessing things. Of Anderson, Clague and Bjornfot only the latter is someone I would consider to likely be a real top-4 going forward, and he is not a dynamic D.

                                  Of the LD you mentioned: Ekholm is well above 25, Dahlin won't be traded, Werenski...can't see it, Romanov - no way (but Mete will probably be traded), Lindgren...I guess it is possible (but certainly not Fox, who is a RD anyway), Sergachev - no way Tampa is trading that kind of piece, Chychrun - can't see it, Pettersson - who knows with Pitts right now, but is he really a "dynamic" D?, and Dunn - probably.

                                  So among the candidates you listed I really only see Dunn as a real possibility.

                                  But I would add Mete, Bean and Butcher. And, personally, I would also add Sandin .


                                  Mete and Butcher aren't dynamic, Bean and Sandin aren't established like the Kings want, and lastly trades like this always catch people by surprise.

                                  Ekholm and Fabbro make most sense to me because they aren't "untouchable" and one of them is on the block. Yes, Kings said they are looking for a "dynamic LD 25 or under" but they also said they want someone who can play with Doughty and Doughty loves playing with defensive D. They get a defensive LD to play with Doughty as well as a dynamic #2 RD under 25 that could potentially replace Doughty someday and they do not have that. By the time Ekholm is a UFA, Bjornfot and Anderson will be able to take the LD torch. It's a win win.
                                  Feb 27 at 1:36
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  Mete and Butcher aren't dynamic, Bean and Sandin aren't established like the Kings want, and lastly trades like this always catch people by surprise.

                                  Ekholm and Fabbro make most sense to me because they aren't "untouchable" and one of them is on the block. Yes, Kings said they are looking for a "dynamic LD 25 or under" but they also said they want someone who can play with Doughty and Doughty loves playing with defensive D. They get a defensive LD to play with Doughty as well as a dynamic #2 RD under 25 that could potentially replace Doughty someday and they do not have that. By the time Ekholm is a UFA, Bjornfot and Anderson will be able to take the LD torch. It's a win win.


                                  I am going exactly with what Dreger said:

                                  "Rob Blake of the Los Angeles Kings is another one looking for a defenseman…25-and-under, he specifically wants a dynamic, left-shot defenseman."

                                  Dynamic, left-shot defenseman, 25-and-under.

                                  Nothing at all about "established like the Kings want" - that's what you want. Would they ideally want that? Sure - as would every team, but Seth Jones trades happen once a decade at most, and the most important criteria according to Dreger were: 25-and-under, left-shot defenseman and dynamic.

                                  Ekholm and Fabbro do not make sense for what Dreger said.
                                  Feb 27 at 1:55
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                                  Quoting: Miles_Togo
                                  I am going exactly with what Dreger said:

                                  "Rob Blake of the Los Angeles Kings is another one looking for a defenseman…25-and-under, he specifically wants a dynamic, left-shot defenseman."

                                  Dynamic, left-shot defenseman, 25-and-under.

                                  Nothing at all about "established like the Kings want" - that's what you want. Would they ideally want that? Sure - as would every team, but Seth Jones trades happen once a decade at most, and the most important criteria according to Dreger were: 25-and-under, left-shot defenseman and dynamic.

                                  Ekholm and Fabbro do not make sense for what Dreger said.


                                  It's common sense if you're a Kings fan lol. We already have Bjornfot, Anderson, and Clague who have already shown they can play 20+ minutes in the NHL. If the Kings are going to give up a high end player, it'll be for someone who is already established.
                                   
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