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Different LD ideas

Created by: ZiggyPalffy
Initial Creation Date: Feb 26, 2021
Published: Feb 26 at 11:14
Team: 2020-21 Los Angeles Kings
Trades
LAK
  1. Ekholm, Mattias
  2. Fabbro, Dante
NSH
  1. 2021 1st round pick (LAK)
Alex Turcotte
Akil Thomas
Jordan Spence


Sean Walker would have to be traded, but he could be packaged in a trade for a RW upgrade.
LAK
    Dahlin
    BUF
      Turcotte
      2021 1st round pick
      LAK
        Werenski
        CBJ
          Turcotte
          Grans
          2021 1st round pick

          Maybe more? Idk.
          LAK
            Romanov

            Not sure what to add.
            MTL
              Turcotte
              LAK
                Fox
                Lindgren
                NYR
                  Turcotte
                  Grans
                  Maatta
                  2021 1st round pick

                  Probably a little more.
                  LAK
                    Pettersson
                    PIT
                      Carter 50% retained.
                      LAK
                        Dunn
                        STL
                          2021 1st round pick

                          Definitely don't like this one.
                          LAK
                            Sergachev
                            TBL
                              Turcotte
                              Clague
                              LAK
                                Chychrun
                                ARI
                                  2021 1st round pick
                                  2021 3rd round pick
                                  Buyouts
                                  • Dion Phaneuf: $4,062,500
                                  Retained Salary Transactions
                                  • Jeff Carter: $2,636,363 (50%)
                                  Termination Fees
                                  • Mike Richards: $700,000
                                  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $6,250,000
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                                  2021
                                  LAK
                                  STL
                                  LAK
                                  TOR
                                  LAK
                                  CGY
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  2022
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  2023
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  LAK
                                  ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                                  23$81,500,000$76,120,952$0$3,582,500$5,379,048
                                  Left WingCenterRight Wing
                                  LAK
                                  Iafallo, Alex
                                  $2,425,000
                                  LW, C
                                  UFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Kopitar, Anze
                                  $10,000,000
                                  C
                                  NTC
                                  UFA - 4
                                  LAK
                                  Brown, Dustin
                                  $5,875,000
                                  RW, LW
                                  NTC
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Kempe, Adrian
                                  $2,000,000
                                  LW, RW
                                  RFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Vilardi, Gabriel
                                  $894,167
                                  C
                                  RFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Carter, Jeff
                                  $2,636,364
                                  C, RW
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Athanasiou, Andreas
                                  $1,200,000
                                  C, LW, RW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Lizotte, Blake
                                  $925,000
                                  C
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Wagner, Austin
                                  $1,133,333
                                  RW, LW
                                  RFA - 3
                                  LAK
                                  Grundström, Carl
                                  $725,000
                                  LW
                                  RFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Amadio, Michael
                                  $700,000
                                  C, RW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Moore, Trevor
                                  $775,000
                                  RW, LW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                                  NSH
                                  Ekholm, Mattias
                                  $3,750,000
                                  LD
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Doughty, Drew
                                  $11,000,000
                                  RD
                                  NMC
                                  UFA - 7
                                  LAK
                                  Quick, Jonathan
                                  $5,800,000
                                  G
                                  UFA - 3
                                  LAK
                                  Anderson, Michael
                                  $925,000
                                  LD
                                  RFA - 2
                                  NSH
                                  Fabbro, Dante
                                  $925,000
                                  RD
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Petersen, Cal
                                  $858,333
                                  G
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Björnfot, Tobias
                                  $894,167
                                  LD
                                  RFA - 3
                                  LAK
                                  Roy, Matt
                                  $700,000
                                  RD
                                  UFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Walker, Sean
                                  $2,650,000
                                  RD
                                  UFA - 4
                                  ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                                  LAK
                                  Määttä, Olli
                                  $3,333,225
                                  LD
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Anderson-Dolan, Jaret
                                  $747,500
                                  C
                                  RFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  MacDermid, Kurtis
                                  $875,000
                                  LD/RD
                                  UFA - 2
                                  LAK
                                  Frk, Martin
                                  $725,000
                                  RW
                                  UFA - 2
                                  Taxi Squad
                                  LAK
                                  Andersson, Lias
                                  $894,166 ($0)
                                  C, LW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Imama, Bokondji
                                  $735,000 ($0)
                                  LW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Kupari, Rasmus
                                  $863,333 ($0)
                                  C, LW, RW
                                  RFA - 3
                                  LAK
                                  Luff, Matt
                                  $700,000 ($0)
                                  RW
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Strand, Austin
                                  $735,000 ($0)
                                  RD
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Rymsha, Drake
                                  $733,333 ($0)
                                  C
                                  RFA - 1
                                  LAK
                                  Grosenick, Troy
                                  $700,000 ($0)
                                  G
                                  UFA - 1

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                                  Feb 27 at 6:13
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                                  buffalo hangs up instantly. horrendous
                                  Feb 27 at 12:06
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                                  Edited Feb 27 at 12:12
                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  It's common sense if you're a Kings fan lol.


                                  The last thing that I have ever cared about in my life is what fanbases (my own and other teams') think is common sense.

                                  We had this discussion two weeks ago when I said that that LA's biggest need was a young LHD with top-4 potential and you felt that LHD was not a need at all for the team and RHD was a big need.

                                  According to Dreger they are looking for the exact kind of D I said they would be: "Rob Blake of the Los Angeles Kings is another one looking for a defenseman…25-and-under, he specifically wants a dynamic, left-shot defenseman."

                                  You still disagree and think that the Kings are looking for the exact opposite kind of D from what Dreger said they are specifically looking for - because that is where "common sense" leads fanbases.

                                  Dreger could be wrong, but usually when someone like Dreger says something that specific it is because the team wants that floated out there so all other teams know that that is what is they are looking for.

                                  If they were looking for Ekholm and Fabbro then they would simply deal with the team.

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                                  We already have Bjornfot, Anderson, and Clague who have already shown they can play 20+ minutes in the NHL. If the Kings are going to give up a high end player, it'll be for someone who is already established.


                                  Tons of D show they can play 20+ minutes in the NHL. Doing so for a few games - especially on a team that either has weak D on that side or is facing a lot of injuries - doesn't mean anything. Teams will test out D to see what they have and if they don't feel that what they have is a fit for where they ideally see their D long-term they look elsewhere.

                                  It was easy to see that among Bjornfot, Anderson and Clague, Bjornfot is the only one who has decent potential of being a real top-4 D and he is not dynamic at all.

                                  They have tons of great F prospects. Outside of Bjornfot their better young D prospects are on the right side.

                                  There are few dynamic LHD who are established and are 25 or younger right now. Most of those will not be getting moved: Dahlin, Werenski, Sergachev, Provorov, Heiskanen, Hughes etc. Maybe Blake can acquire someone in the group just below that with his high-end F prospect pool - but there are not many there who are established. Only 22 25 or younger LHD have played more than100 games and that includes non-dynamic D like Zadorov, Graves, Mueller, etc. But, nothing was said about the D being established - LHD - dynamic - 25 or under.

                                  When Nashville traded Jones they had a log jam with Weber and Ellis ahead of Jones on the right (Josi and Ekholm on the left).

                                  There are not many situations with log-jams on the left resulting in LHD either being played down the lineup from where they otherwise could be, or not in the lineup at all.

                                  I think that Bean is the best example - stuck behind Slavin and Skjei, with Hayden Fleury also there. Another example would be the logjam that Colorado has on the left with Girard, Toews and Graves playing ahead of Byram. And another is the logjam Toronto has on the left with Sandin.

                                  Bean is not exempt from the ED (Sandin and Byram are) making him someone who I think could be moved.

                                  Incidentally here are the top-14 (by Pronman from a month ago, based on potential - only giving the top-14 as those were the only ones he deemed as having top-pairing potential) LHD who are under the age of 23 (in order):

                                  Dahlin, Hughes, Heiskanen, Sergachev, Girard, Chychrun, Byram, Sanderson, Romanov, Smith, Harley, Sandin, Heinola and Bean.

                                  That potential should matter far more to LA than someone who is established right now - but you think they are looking for someone to play with Doughty right now. I think - and had before Friedman said a thing - that they are looking for a LHD to bring some dynamic play to their second pair and that is the bigger benefit to them long-term.
                                  Feb 27 at 12:34
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                                  Quoting: Miles_Togo
                                  The last thing that I have ever cared about in my life is what fanbases (my own and other teams') think is common sense.

                                  We had this discussion two weeks ago when I said that that LA's biggest need was a young LHD with top-4 potential and you felt that LHD was not a need at all for the team and RHD was a big need.

                                  According to Dreger they are looking for the exact kind of D I said they would be: "Rob Blake of the Los Angeles Kings is another one looking for a defenseman…25-and-under, he specifically wants a dynamic, left-shot defenseman."

                                  You still disagree and think that the Kings are looking for the exact opposite kind of D from what Dreger said they are specifically looking for - because that is where "common sense" leads fanbases.

                                  Dreger could be wrong, but usually when someone like Dreger says something that specific it is because the team wants that floated out there so all other teams know that that is what is they are looking for.

                                  If they were looking for Ekholm and Fabbro then they would simply deal with the team.

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                                  We already have Bjornfot, Anderson, and Clague who have already shown they can play 20+ minutes in the NHL. If the Kings are going to give up a high end player, it'll be for someone who is already established.


                                  Tons of D show they can play 20+ minutes in the NHL. Doing so for a few games - especially on a team that either has weak D on that side or is facing a lot of injuries - doesn't mean anything. Teams will test out D to see what they have and if they don't feel that what they have is a fit for where they ideally see their D long-term they look elsewhere.

                                  It was easy to see that among Bjornfot, Anderson and Clague, Bjornfot is the only one who has decent potential of being a real top-4 D and he is not dynamic at all.

                                  They have tons of great F prospects. Outside of Bjornfot their better young D prospects are on the right side.

                                  There are few dynamic LHD who are established and are 25 or younger right now. Most of those will not be getting moved: Dahlin, Werenski, Sergachev, Provorov, Heiskanen, Hughes etc. Maybe Blake can acquire someone in the group just below that with his high-end F prospect pool - but there are not many there who are established. Only 22 25 or younger LHD have played more than100 games and that includes non-dynamic D like Zadorov, Graves, Mueller, etc. But, nothing was said about the D being established - LHD - dynamic - 25 or under.

                                  When Nashville traded Jones they had a log jam with Weber and Ellis ahead of Jones on the right (Josi and Ekholm on the left).

                                  There are not many situations with log-jams on the left resulting in LHD either being played down the lineup from where they otherwise could be, or not in the lineup at all.

                                  I think that Bean is the best example - stuck behind Slavin and Skjei, with Hayden Fleury also there. Another example would be the logjam that Colorado has on the left with Girard, Toews and Graves playing ahead of Byram. And another is the logjam Toronto has on the left with Sandin.

                                  Bean is not exempt from the ED (Sandin and Byram are) making him someone who I think could be moved.

                                  Incidentally here are the top-14 (by Pronman from a month ago, based on potential - only giving the top-14 as those were the only ones he deemed as having top-pairing potential) LHD who are under the age of 23 (in order):

                                  Dahlin, Hughes, Heiskanen, Sergachev, Girard, Chychrun, Byram, Sanderson, Romanov, Smith, Harley, Sandin, Heinola and Bean.

                                  That potential should matter far more to LA than someone who is established right now - but you think they are looking for someone to play with Doughty right now. I think - and had before Friedman said a thing - that they are looking for a LHD to bring some dynamic play to their second pair and that is the bigger benefit to them long-term.


                                  Here's the problem, you're talking from a place where you have zero knowledge of the Kings and the circumstances surrounding their LD prospects/players.

                                  Not only have guys like Anderson and Bjornfot played 20+ minutes, the quality of those minutes have been great. Hence why they have both been in the top 4. Anderson was with Doughty before he got injured, should be back with him tonight. Bjornfot has been playing on the 2nd pair with Roy and has looked great. Outstanding last night. This is their 1st season and they are already showing they can play in the top 4, they will only get better and soon Bjornfot will be able to play with Doughty.

                                  We have Bjornfot and Anderson who can play in the top 4 now and in the future, they aren't guys you can put on the 3rd pair long term.

                                  Btw if he didn't mean they wanted an established defenseman, don't you think the wording would be different than "dynamic 25 or under" how many "dynamic" defenseman prospects are as old as 25? Lol.

                                  Ekholm and Fabbro makes most sense because it gives Doughty a Muzzin-like D man to play with while giving Anderson and Bjornfot easier minutes and not throwing them in the fire when its playoff time.

                                  At RD Kings have Doughty, Roy, Walker, Grans, Faber, and Spence. None of those guys has upside to potentially replace Doughty some day. Roy is great, but doesn't put up enough number to be Doughty's #2. That's why Fabbro makes a lot of sense, he can be a #2 now and maybe someday a #1.

                                  Kings get a dynamic RD under 25 while adding a very good defensive LD to play with Doughty(Doughty only likes playing with defensively LD) btw Ekholm is sort of dynamic too, elite defensively, good two way game(30-40 points every year) good shot blocker and PKer. It's a win win for LA.

                                  Also, the Kings had the most success when they had a #1 and #2 RD(Doughty and Voynov) while playing them with very good defensive LD(Scuderi/Regehr and Mitchell) everyone knows Doughty's favorite D partner ever was Scuderi.

                                  Then:
                                  Scuderi/Regehr Doughty
                                  Mitchell Voynov

                                  Now and in the future(If the trade were made):
                                  Ekholm/Bjornfot Doughty
                                  Anderson Fabbro
                                  Bjornfot/Clague Roy/Faber

                                  Fun fact, Roy draws a lot of comparisons to Martinez and is clutch like him too.
                                  Feb 27 at 12:51
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  Here's the problem, you're talking from a place where you have zero knowledge of the Kings and the circumstances surrounding their LD prospects/players.


                                  And yet two weeks ago when I said what the Kings should be looking for it matched what Friedman recently said they are specifically looking for. You said the opposite and are still running with that. It is a reason why I could not care what any fanbase thinks. If Blake shared the same delusions about his current LHD prospects as you do then he would not be looking for what Friedman has said he is specifically looking for.
                                  Feb 27 at 12:54
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                                  Quoting: Miles_Togo
                                  And yet two weeks ago when I said what the Kings should be looking for it matched what Friedman recently said they are specifically looking for. You said the opposite and are still running with that. It is a reason why I could not care what any fanbase thinks. If Blake shared the same delusions about his current LHD prospects as you do then he would not be looking for what Friedman has said he is specifically looking for.


                                  First of all, those are rumors. Second of all, almost all Kings fans on here don't believe it.

                                  It's funny because you think you know better than the Kings fans on here some of which have been season ticket holders since the 80s. If your ego is that big, I can't help you and this conversation is over.
                                  Feb 27 at 1:01
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  First of all, those are rumors. Second of all, almost all Kings fans on here don't believe it.

                                  It's funny because you think you know better than the Kings fans on here some of which have been season ticket holders since the 80s. If your ego is that big, I can't help you and this conversation is over.


                                  Again - Dreger said exactly what I had said - and exactly the opposite of what you continue to say. You can say it is a rumor, but it is the very rumor you based this AGM on. And Dreger said that this was specifically what Blake was after, whereas he usually hedges his guesses and rumours - adds a lot of "I think" statements etc. None of that here at all. Fanbases always think that their team is going to do what they want the team to do. Teams almost never do that.
                                  Feb 27 at 1:04
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                                  Quoting: Miles_Togo
                                  Again - Dreger said exactly what I had said - and exactly the opposite of what you continue to say. You can say it is a rumor, but it is the very rumor you based this AGM on. Fanbases always think that their team is going to do what they want the team to do. Teams almost never do that.


                                  That's funny because all summer long Kings fans said they'd draft Byfield, aquire a LD, Vilardi would be 2C, Byfield and Turcotte would not make the team, Anderson would be in the top 4, Clague and Bjornfot would see games, and here we are with all that happeningwink

                                  Kings drafted Byfield, traded for Maatta, Vilardi is 2C, Byfield and Turcotte didn't make the team, Anderson is in the top 4, and Clague and Bjornfot are seeing games.
                                  Feb 27 at 1:16
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  That's funny because all summer long Kings fans said they'd draft Byfield, aquire a LD, Vilardi would be 2C, Byfield and Turcotte would not make the team, Anderson would be in the top 4, Clague and Bjornfot would see games, and here we are with all that happeningwink


                                  Fans understanding that a team as weak as the KIngs are on the LD would be using LD prospects is not something hard to figure out at all. It is basically what almost every team that is extremely weak in a certain position has a tendency to do (the exceptions being legit contenders who almost always fill that position by signing or trade, or weak teams that don't want to discourage development of very high end prospects by bringing them up too soon - so what happened with the Kings this season in terms of who was played was the most obviously predictable thing in the history of hockey). Then the team uses that situation of seeing how their prospects looked in those roles to assess the long-term fit and needs for the team at that position while the fanbase always thinks that those prospects are amazing and their long-term needs have been met. The team instead recognizes that some of those prospects are unlikely to be future top-4s on a competitive team, and/or that they don't fit together the right way for where the team sees itself several years down the line and/or they realize that they have a hole or something missing from their envisioned future lineup - for instance, a young dynamic LHD. Blake knows a lot about D and a properly built D-core and according to Dreger this is what he thinks: "Rob Blake of the Los Angeles Kings is another one looking for a defenseman…25-and-under, he specifically wants a dynamic, left-shot defenseman." So I should care, at all, that some Kings fans like you think the exact opposite?
                                  Feb 27 at 1:28
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                                  Quoting: Miles_Togo
                                  Fans understanding that a team as weak as the KIngs are on the LD would be using LD prospects is not something hard to figure out at all. It is basically what almost every team that is extremely weak in a certain position has a tendency to do (the exceptions being legit contenders who almost always fill that position by signing or trade, or weak teams that don't want to discourage development of very high end prospects by bringing them up too soon - so what happened with the Kings this season in terms of who was played was the most obviously predictable thing in the history of hockey). Then the team uses that situation of seeing how their prospects looked in those roles to assess the long-term fit and needs for the team at that position while the fanbase always thinks that those prospects are amazing and their long-term needs have been met. The team instead recognizes that some of those prospects are unlikely to be future top-4s on a competitive team, and/or that they don't fit together the right way for where the team sees itself several years down the line and/or they realize that they have a hole or something missing from their envisioned future lineup - for instance, a young dynamic LHD. Blake knows a lot about D and a properly built D-core and according to Dreger this is what he thinks: "Rob Blake of the Los Angeles Kings is another one looking for a defenseman…25-and-under, he specifically wants a dynamic, left-shot defenseman." So I should care, at all, that some Kings fans like you think the exact opposite?


                                  Your ego and your inaccurate stance on my team ain't working guy...

                                  I'd love to see you make a Kings ACGM so you can tell us what we should do lol

                                  Go ahead and tag me when its done.
                                  Feb 27 at 1:33
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  Your ego and your inaccurate stance on my team ain't working guy...

                                  I'd love to see you make a Kings ACGM so you can tell us what we should do lol

                                  Go ahead and tag me when its done.


                                  I don't need to make an AGM for the Kings, nor would I want to. I do have the ability to see obvious long-term weaknesses and understand that any competent GM would want to fix those. I don't have the extreme arrogance though to see what Dreger said Blake is specifically looking for and then conclude that the exact opposite is what he is actually looking for.
                                  Feb 27 at 1:40
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                                  Quoting: Miles_Togo
                                  I don't need to make an AGM for the Kings, nor would I want to. I do have the ability to see obvious long-term weaknesses and understand that any competent GM would want to fix those. I don't have the extreme arrogance though to see what Dreger said Blake is specifically looking for and then conclude that the exact opposite is what he is actually looking for.


                                  That's because you know not just the Kings fans will laugh at you, but so will everyone else on here. Our long term weakness is RD, not LD. Anderson has 3+ Calder votes already. I don't need an egotistical know-it-all that doesn't know anything about my team to tell me otherwise.

                                  Enjoy my ignore list, kid.
                                  Feb 27 at 2:06
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                                  Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
                                  That's because you know not just the Kings fans will laugh at you, but so will everyone else on here.


                                  Again - who cares about an AMG. Friedman didn't do an AGM..... oh my gosh.

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                                  Our long term weakness is RD, not LD.


                                  Your GM apparently completely disagrees with you. No surprise.

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                                  Anderson has 3+ Calder votes already.


                                  Because that is how year end awards work. Is there anything you do know? Not that any NHL GM would assess their team needs by made up award voting anyway.

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                                  I don't need an egotistical know-it-all that doesn't know anything about my team to tell me otherwise.

                                  Enjoy my ignore list, kid.


                                  And yet, again - I recognized exactly what your team needed weeks ago, Dreger confirmed it was what Blake is specifically looking for and yet you continue to double down on believing the exact opposite and that is, again, why no one should care about what fans like you think.
                                   
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