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2022-23 After Re-Tooling

Created by: SevenLeg
Initial Creation Date: Feb 27, 2021
Published: Feb 27 at 11:04
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Caufield, Cole3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi3$3,000,000
Lehkonen, Artturi4$2,500,000
Mete, Victor2$1,250,000
Poehling, Ryan2$800,000
Fleury, Cale2$800,000
Gauthier, Julien3$1,300,000
Romanov, Alexander2$3,125,000
Primeau, Cayden2$900,000
Evans, Jake3$1,500,000
Suzuki, Nick2$5,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan5$7,500,000
Pulock, Ryan7$6,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
McTavish, Mason3$925,000
Trades
MTL
  1. Skinner, Jeff
BUF
  1. Price, Carey
MTL
    Seattle
    ANA
    1. Byron, Paul
    2. Smith, Jack [Reserve List]
    3. 2021 2nd round pick (MTL)
    MTL
    1. Gauthier, Julien [RFA Rights]
    NYR
    1. Mete, Victor
    MTL
      Retirement
      ANA
      1. Weber, Shea
      Additional Details:
      Weber is owed peanuts for the last few years of his contract. He'll be 37 at the beginning of the 2022-23 season and his body has went through a lot. It's unlikely, but for the sake of this post let's say he pulls a Byfuglien.
      Buyouts
      • Karl Alzner: $833,333
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2021
      MTL
      TBL
      MTL
      CHI
      WSH
      MTL
      STL
      VGK
      MTL
      OTT
      PHI
      MTL
      MTL
      2022
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      STL
      2023
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      MTL
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      22$81,500,000$80,614,166$0$1,270,000$885,834
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      MTL
      Drouin, Jonathan
      $5,500,000
      LW
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      MTL
      Suzuki, Nick
      $5,500,000
      C, RW
      RFA
      MTL
      Anderson, Josh
      $5,500,000
      RW
      NTC
      UFA - 5
      BUF
      Skinner, Jeff
      $9,000,000
      LW, RW
      NMC
      UFA - 5
      Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
      $7,500,000
      C, LW
      UFA
      MTL
      Gallagher, Brendan
      $6,500,000
      RW
      NMC NTC
      UFA - 5
      MTL
      Toffoli, Tyler
      $4,250,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 2
      MTL
      Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
      $3,000,000
      C, LW
      RFA
      MTL
      Caufield, Cole
      $925,000
      RW, C
      RFA - 1
      MTL
      Lehkonen, Artturi
      $2,500,000
      LW, RW
      RFA
      MTL
      Evans, Jake
      $1,500,000
      C, RW
      RFA
      MTL
      Ylönen, Jesse
      $880,833
      RW
      RFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      MTL
      Romanov, Alexander
      $3,125,000
      LD/RD
      RFA
      Pulock, Ryan
      $6,750,000
      RD
      UFA
      MTL
      Allen, Jake
      $2,875,000
      G
      UFA - 1
      MTL
      Guhle, Kaiden
      $925,000
      LD
      RFA - 1
      MTL
      Petry, Jeff
      $6,250,000
      RD
      NMC NTC
      UFA - 3
      MTL
      Primeau, Cayden
      $900,000
      G
      RFA
      MTL
      Edmundson, Joel
      $3,500,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      MTL
      Fleury, Cale
      $800,000
      RD
      RFA
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      MTL
      Poehling, Ryan
      $800,000
      C, LW
      RFA
      Gauthier, Julien
      $1,300,000
      RW
      RFA

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      Feb 27 at 11:13
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      My dude you better pray Weber doesn’t retire he has a recapture penalty of like 20 mil
      Feb 27 at 11:18
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      Quoting: NYRxLundqvist
      My dude you better pray Weber doesn’t retire he has a recapture penalty of like 20 mil


      I'm no expert on salary cap subtleties, but from what I recall, the recapture penalty has been diminished under the new CBA and it's on Nashville.
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      Feb 27 at 11:23
      #3
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      That's a no for the Sabres...Ullmark is 6 yrs younger, having a better season and can be resigned at a much cheaper salary.
      Feb 27 at 11:28
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      Hockey247
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      Quoting: SevenLeg
      I'm no expert on salary cap subtleties, but from what I recall, the recapture penalty has been diminished under the new CBA and it's on Nashville.


      i dont believe its diminished. isnt luongo still taking the canucks cap space for his retirement? either way, if its still there, nashville suffers, not mtl.
      Feb 27 at 11:30
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      Quoting: Hockey247
      i dont believe its diminished. isnt luongo still taking the canucks cap space for his retirement? either way, if its still there, nashville suffers, not mtl.


      It's quite recent, and I think the new rule only applies to the few contracts elligible (Carter, Keith, Suter, Parise, Weber, etc.)
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      Feb 27 at 11:32
      #6
      Mark
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      Quoting: SevenLeg
      I'm no expert on salary cap subtleties, but from what I recall, the recapture penalty has been diminished under the new CBA and it's on Nashville.


      The recapture pentalty is indeed on Nashville: it was stipulation of the orginial deal between Nashville and Montreal in the Subban for Weber trade. If I were Nashville, I certainly wouldn't want him to retire.
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      Feb 27 at 1:13
      #7
      Hockey247
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      Quoting: markmws
      The recapture pentalty is indeed on Nashville: it was stipulation of the orginial deal between Nashville and Montreal in the Subban for Weber trade. If I were Nashville, I certainly wouldn't want him to retire.


      they'll have to trade back for him if im not mistaken and put him on LTIR or something because his cap will count against nashville's cap. idk waht the league will allow, but mtl can get a decent return for weber
      Feb 27 at 1:20
      #8
      Mark
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      Quoting: Hockey247
      they'll have to trade back for him if im not mistaken and put him on LTIR or something because his cap will count against nashville's cap. idk waht the league will allow, but mtl can get a decent return for weber


      I didn't know that! WOW! That. Is. HILARIOUS! This could potentially crush the Preds (not that I want to see them get crushed, but wow, that's not a good sign). Bergevin (or, more likely, the Hab's next general manager) would really be able to get a decent return for that.
      Feb 27 at 3:59
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      Hockey247
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      Quoting: markmws
      I didn't know that! WOW! That. Is. HILARIOUS! This could potentially crush the Preds (not that I want to see them get crushed, but wow, that's not a good sign). Bergevin (or, more likely, the Hab's next general manager) would really be able to get a decent return for that.


      I've been saying this since we traded for weber and fans complained about his contract. mtl does not suffer in any way. its either the preds, or the preds negotiate somehting with the nhl.
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      Feb 28 at 7:59
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      Mark
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      Quoting: Hockey247
      I've been saying this since we traded for weber and fans complained about his contract. mtl does not suffer in any way. its either the preds, or the preds negotiate somehting with the nhl.


      I completely agree with this. Hindsight is 20/20, but Bergevin looks like he made a pretty great deal. Even if Weber doesn't win a Cup here, he has been and continues to be an outstanding leader.
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      Feb 28 at 8:05
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      Quoting: Hockey247
      I've been saying this since we traded for weber and fans complained about his contract. mtl does not suffer in any way. its either the preds, or the preds negotiate somehting with the nhl.


      Quoting: markmws
      I completely agree with this. Hindsight is 20/20, but Bergevin looks like he made a pretty great deal. Even if Weber doesn't win a Cup here, he has been and continues to be an outstanding leader.


      Thankfully for Nashville, the recapture penalty has been lowered. If he had retired in 2025-26 under the previous CBA, it would have been a 24.571.428m$ recapture penalty for 1 season. Now, if he retires in the same year, it's 7,857,143 for 3 seasons. It's still insane, but it's better manageable.
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      Feb 28 at 8:52
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      Mark
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      Thank you, @SevenLeg , for this information: it's fascinating. $24,571,428 is comically high (30% of the current Cap, to be exact), but $7,857,143 per season, while still insane, is more manageable. Think about this: Victor Hedman makes slightly more than that.
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      Feb 28 at 12:34
      #13
      Hockey247
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      Quoting: markmws
      I completely agree with this. Hindsight is 20/20, but Bergevin looks like he made a pretty great deal. Even if Weber doesn't win a Cup here, he has been and continues to be an outstanding leader.


      the culture change he brought was outstanding. i mean even if the habs win with a new core, that includes primeau in net and price as a back-up etc, his leadership is an example for all the younger guys.
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