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Cap Situation and Sergachev Solution

Created by: OldNYIfan
Initial Creation Date: Feb 27, 2021
Published: Feb 27 at 4:22
Team: 2021-22 Tampa Bay Lightning
Team Explanation
Let's suppose Seattle obliges Tampa and takes one of the Lightning's big-hit forwards off their hands. That still doesn't solve Tampa's cap problem, because with Nikita Kucherov back, they have 16 players under contract with only $1,783,333 in cap space. So this trade might be necessary.

I've been kicking around variations of this idea with my friend ZiggyPalffy. We both agree that it would be great for the Kings, good for the Lightning, and unlikely to happen in real life. But it's fun to think about.

In the main trade, Jaret Anderson-Dolan and Tyler Madden are alternatives to Akil Thomas (who's right-handed), and there are a wide variety of bottom-6 forwards available as alternatives to Blake Lizotte.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Foote, Cal2$1,250,000
Lizotte, Blake2$1,250,000
Volkov, Alexander2$980,000
Clague, Kale2$900,000
Raddysh, Taylor2$850,000
Barré-Boulet, Alex2$800,000
Day, Sean2$750,000
Borgman, Andreas2$750,000
Martin, Spencer2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Coleman, Blake4$2,500,000
Driedger, Chris2$1,325,000
Schenn, Luke2$800,000
Smith, Gemel2$750,000
Trades
TBL
    Seattle, not Las Vegas
    VGK
    1. Palat, Ondrej
    2. 2021 1st round pick (TBL)
    TBL
    1. Turcotte, Alex
    2. Thomas, Akil
    3. Lizotte, Blake [RFA Rights]
    4. Clague, Kale [RFA Rights]
    5. 2021 1st round pick (LAK)
    LAK
    1. Johnson, Tyler
    2. Sergachev, Mikhail
    Buyouts
    • Vincent Lecavalier: $0
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    LAK
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    NSH
    NJD
    2022
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    2023
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    TBL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$80,696,666$0$1,550,000$803,334
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    TBL
    Coleman, Blake
    $2,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA
    TBL
    Point, Brayden
    $6,750,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    TBL
    Kucherov, Nikita
    $9,500,000
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    TBL
    Killorn, Alex
    $4,450,000
    LW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    TBL
    Cirelli, Anthony
    $4,800,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    TBL
    Stamkos, Steven
    $8,500,000
    C, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    TBL
    Gourde, Yanni
    $5,166,666
    C, LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    LAK
    Turcotte, Alex
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    TBL
    Volkov, Alexander
    $980,000
    LW, RW
    RFA
    TBL
    Maroon, Patrick
    $900,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    Lizotte, Blake
    $1,250,000
    C
    RFA
    TBL
    Raddysh, Taylor
    $850,000
    RW
    RFA
    TBL
    Joseph, Mathieu
    $737,500
    C, LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    TBL
    Stephens, Mitchell
    $737,500
    C
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    TBL
    Hedman, Victor
    $7,875,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    TBL
    Cernak, Erik
    $2,950,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    TBL
    Vasilevskiy, Andrei
    $9,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    TBL
    McDonagh, Ryan
    $6,750,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    TBL
    Rutta, Jan
    $1,300,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Driedger, Chris
    $1,325,000
    G
    UFA
    Clague, Kale
    $900,000
    LD
    RFA
    TBL
    Foote, Cal
    $1,250,000
    RD
    RFA
    TBL
    Schenn, Luke
    $800,000
    RD
    UFA
    Taxi Squad
    LAK
    Thomas, Akil
    $795,000 ($0)
    C
    RFA - 2
    TBL
    Barré-Boulet, Alex
    $800,000 ($0)
    C
    RFA
    TBL
    Smith, Gemel
    $750,000 ($0)
    C
    UFA
    TBL
    Borgman, Andreas
    $750,000 ($0)
    LD
    RFA
    TBL
    Day, Sean
    $750,000 ($0)
    LD
    RFA
    TBL
    Martin, Spencer
    $750,000 ($0)
    G
    RFA

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    Feb 27 at 5:34
    #26
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    Untouchable lol. As long as Hedman is there, Sergachev is 'touchable'


    Hedman is M-NTC in 22-23.
    Feb 27 at 5:36
    #27
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    Quoting: Bolts20Cup
    Seattle is going to be persuaded to take Johnson and if he's playing well it makes a lot of sense for them.i think Gonclaves a 3&5 does it. No chance they pay to Dump Palat a guy who over the last 3 season's has over 70%of his points 5x5 with 1 year on the contract and certainly not a 1 to do so if I'm miraculously wrong


    We'll still have to include a first, but the idea we'll be stuck with a bunch of immoveable pieces is overblown.
    Feb 27 at 5:37
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    Quoting: CoopsTroops
    Hedman is M-NTC in 22-23.


    And he'll be extended 2 years after that.
    Feb 27 at 5:38
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    Because Kings aren't paying a 2OA pick for a guy that has gotten over 40 points once regardless of how many people overvalued Sergachev.


    Do you see that much of a difference between Turcotte and Byfield?
    2oa in a weak draft vs 5oa in a loaded draft?
    Not that draft position matters now, but I cannot imagine much daylight between the two.
    Feb 27 at 5:39
    #30
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Why not offer Byfield?
    As an off-season deal, of course.
    If Tampa Bay really needs cap and/or center. Many seem to like him over Turcotte (not saying they're right).


    He'll take another two years to develop. I thought the idea of Turcotte plus this year's first plus extras would be better (we wouldn't do more than a 1-for-1 with Byfield).
    Feb 27 at 5:39
    #31
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Do you see that much of a difference between Turcotte and Byfield?
    2oa in a weak draft vs 5oa in a loaded draft?
    Not that draft position matters now, but I cannot imagine much daylight between the two.


    Last year wasn't a weak draft lol and yes there's a huge difference in terms of ceiling.
    Feb 27 at 5:40
    #32
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    And he'll be extended 2 years after that.


    Absolutely. And Sergachev will still be in Tampa.
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    Feb 27 at 5:41
    #33
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Do you see that much of a difference between Turcotte and Byfield?
    2oa in a weak draft vs 5oa in a loaded draft?
    Not that draft position matters now, but I cannot imagine much daylight between the two.


    If I'm giving up Byfield, it'll be for #1D which Sergachev is not that and I don't believe he will be.
    Feb 27 at 5:41
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    Quoting: CoopsTroops
    Absolutely. And Sergachev will still be in Tampa.


    All the more reason to not get so upset about an ACGM entertaining an idea like this right?!
    Feb 27 at 5:43
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    Last year wasn't a weak draft lol and yes there's a huge difference in terms of ceiling.


    Nobody knows yet on drafts, but 2020 looked pretty bad to me at the time.
    Devils had three picks in 1st and I was hoping to move some of them.

    NJD will give you Murray if your big game hunting doesn't pan out.
    Feb 27 at 5:43
    #36
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    All the more reason to not get so upset about an ACGM entertaining an idea like this right?!


    Upset? I just said I disagreed and stated my reasoning. You were the one who got wordy.
    Feb 27 at 5:45
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    Quoting: CoopsTroops
    Upset? I just said I disagreed and stated my reasoning. You were the one who got wordy.


    You were upset, buddy. It seems you have calmed down though which is good.
    Feb 27 at 5:48
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Do you see that much of a difference between Turcotte and Byfield?
    2oa in a weak draft vs 5oa in a loaded draft?
    Not that draft position matters now, but I cannot imagine much daylight between the two.

    Who said 2020 was a weak draft? They both have quality players and aren’t considered weak in any fashion. Maybe you’re biased at little toward 2019 because you’ve seen an extra year of development or you’re mixing up 2020 with 2021.
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    Feb 27 at 5:49
    #39
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    You were upset, buddy. It seems you have calmed down though which is good.


    You must be confused. You came rushing in to defend oldNYI like he was in grave danger or something. I can appreciate one sticking up for their friends, but you were crazy.
    Feb 27 at 5:55
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    Quoting: BStinson
    Who said 2020 was a weak draft? They both have quality players and aren’t considered weak in any fashion. Maybe you’re biased at little toward 2019 because you’ve seen an extra year of development or you’re mixing up 2020 with 2021.


    2019 was great. 2015 was great. 2003 was great. 2022 will be great.
    2020 was ok...maybe close to 2017 or 2014.
    Should have said "weaker"...2012 was weak.
    Feb 27 at 6:00
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    2019 was great. 2015 was great. 2003 was great. 2022 will be great.
    2020 was ok...maybe close to 2017 or 2014.
    Should have said "weaker"...2012 was weak.


    So what makes 2019 great and 2020 okay? Are we talking top end prospects only? Depth of the draft?

    I think the extra year of development is creating a little bias here. Yes, 2022 looks like the top end talent of Wright, Savoie, and Lambert is shaping up nicely. 2021 in my eyes doesn’t compare to 2019-2020, 2022 for a clear definite top small grouping of guys.
    Feb 27 at 6:09
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    Quoting: BStinson
    So what makes 2019 great and 2020 okay? Are we talking top end prospects only? Depth of the draft?

    I think the extra year of development is creating a little bias here. Yes, 2022 looks like the top end talent of Wright, Savoie, and Lambert is shaping up nicely. 2021 in my eyes doesn’t compare to 2019-2020, 2022 for a clear definite top small grouping of guys.


    Depth...measuring by number of impact players.

    2019 was great and about 45-deep with potential to be solid, impact guys
    2020 was okay...a few impact forwards, but after the 1st half of 1st round, lotta warts. Some sneaky good d-men in 2nd / 3rd.
    2021 is okay...probably a good year for a late 1st pick and some guys may fall with limited scouting (but who knows)
    2022 is great at the top, with guys you mentioned, but also very deep, McGroarty, Fleming, Nemec, Miro, Casey, Howard, Kemmell, etc etc.
    2023 will likely be top-heavy...good at top....thinner later on
    Feb 27 at 6:12
    #43
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    Quoting: BStinson
    So what makes 2019 great and 2020 okay? Are we talking top end prospects only? Depth of the draft?

    I think the extra year of development is creating a little bias here. Yes, 2022 looks like the top end talent of Wright, Savoie, and Lambert is shaping up nicely. 2021 in my eyes doesn’t compare to 2019-2020, 2022 for a clear definite top small grouping of guys.


    I did a 2022 mock draft recently
    here https://www.capfriendly.com/mock-draft/160951
    Feb 27 at 6:22
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Depth...measuring by number of impact players.

    2019 was great and about 45-deep with potential to be solid, impact guys
    2020 was okay...a few impact forwards, but after the 1st half of 1st round, lotta warts. Some sneaky good d-men in 2nd / 3rd.
    2021 is okay...probably a good year for a late 1st pick and some guys may fall with limited scouting (but who knows)
    2022 is great at the top, with guys you mentioned, but also very deep, McGroarty, Fleming, Nemec, Miro, Casey, Howard, Kemmell, etc etc.
    2023 will likely be top-heavy...good at top....thinner later on

    I guess we are definitely going to agree to disagree I don’t see 45 forwards in 2019 vs the few in 2020. I see some solid guys through the first couple rounds like 2019. Sucks we can’t see some of their D+1.
    Feb 27 at 6:28
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    Tampa Wouldn't give up Palat In the expansion draft even along with a first-round pick, Johnson is more likely to be in seattle when that happens, and both teams declined in the kings trade.
    Feb 27 at 7:16
    #46
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    Because Kings aren't paying a 2OA pick for a guy that has gotten over 40 points once regardless of how many people overvalue Sergachev.


    For a 22 year old defensemen to be going over 40 points when he's never really been higher on the D depth chart than t-3 is insane. Plus his D is solid and improving every year
    Feb 27 at 7:18
    #47
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    If I'm giving up Byfield, it'll be for #1D which Sergachev is not that and I don't believe he will be.


    idk if you've been watching Tampa, but at worst in 3-5 years he'll be a great 2nd D-man
    Feb 27 at 7:19
    #48
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    You were upset, buddy. It seems you have calmed down though which is good.
    Feb 27 at 7:20
    #49
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    Quoting: CoopsTroops
    Upset? I just said I disagreed and stated my reasoning. You were the one who got wordy.


    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    You were upset, buddy. It seems you have calmed down though which is good.


    Quoting: CoopsTroops
    You must be confused. You came rushing in to defend oldNYI like he was in grave danger or something. I can appreciate one sticking up for their friends, but you were crazy.


    I mean @ZiggyPalffy was the one who named @CoopsTroops a moron first.
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    Feb 27 at 7:21
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    Quoting: VastBluepuppy424
    Tampa Wouldn't give up Palat In the expansion draft even along with a first-round pick, Johnson is more likely to be in seattle when that happens, and both teams declined in the kings trade.


    Protecting Palat means exposing one of Cernak or Foote, and that's who Seattle would take with no prompting.
     
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