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Created by: leafs101
Initial Creation Date: Feb 28, 2021
Published: Feb 28 at 10:27
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Staal, Eric ($1,612,500 retained)
BUF
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Sandin, Rasmus
  3. Amirov, Rodion [Reserve List]
  4. Liljegren, Timothy
  5. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
  6. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
  7. 2022 3rd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (OTT)
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
OTT
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
OTT
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$79,649,875$0$0$1,850,125
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
BUF
Staal, Eric
$12,500
C
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Boyd, Travis
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,125
LD/RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000 ($0)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000 ($0)
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000 ($0)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Woll, Joseph
$800,000 ($0)
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000 ($0)
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
TOR
Hållander, Filip
$764,167 ($0)
C
RFA - 3
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
$737,500 ($0)
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Sabourin, Scott
$700,000 ($0)
RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$725,000 ($0)
G
UFA - 2

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Feb 28 at 10:31
#1
mokumboi
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Imagine wanting two 10M players on your second line. It's just a bad idea, man.
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Feb 28 at 10:34
#2
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buf says lol
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Feb 28 at 10:42
#3
Hockey 1st Sens 2nd
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Ottawa declines.
Feb 28 at 10:54
#4
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Quoting: TCMonkey
Ottawa declines.


Why? I’m not a TML fan but I think Kerfoot would be a good fit in OTT, young enough to fit in, experienced enough to be a good leader and skilled enough to play in the top 6. If I’m OTT I jump on that deal who is OTT going to get in the 3rd rd that is going to help them more than Kerfoot would?
Feb 28 at 11:17
#5
sbinalla
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Quoting: Xqb15a
Why? I’m not a TML fan but I think Kerfoot would be a good fit in OTT, young enough to fit in, experienced enough to be a good leader and skilled enough to play in the top 6. If I’m OTT I jump on that deal who is OTT going to get in the 3rd rd that is going to help them more than Kerfoot would?


brad marchand was in the third round tears of joy
Feb 28 at 11:31
#6
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cheeks klapanen
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Quoting: maplelaughs2297
brad marchand was in the third round tears of joy


ok but the odds of finding an NHL player better than Kerfoot in the third round are very, very low.
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Feb 28 at 11:32
#7
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Quoting: maplelaughs2297
brad marchand was in the third round tears of joy


pointing out the exceptions only proves the rule!
Feb 28 at 11:47
#8
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Quoting: Xqb15a
Why? I’m not a TML fan but I think Kerfoot would be a good fit in OTT, young enough to fit in, experienced enough to be a good leader and skilled enough to play in the top 6. If I’m OTT I jump on that deal who is OTT going to get in the 3rd rd that is going to help them more than Kerfoot would?


I don’t mind the fit with Kerfoot but is he worth 2 high third round picks. Both of those would likely be in the late 60’s
Feb 28 at 12:10
#9
Hockey 1st Sens 2nd
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Quoting: Xqb15a
Why? I’m not a TML fan but I think Kerfoot would be a good fit in OTT, young enough to fit in, experienced enough to be a good leader and skilled enough to play in the top 6. If I’m OTT I jump on that deal who is OTT going to get in the 3rd rd that is going to help them more than Kerfoot would?


First off, Batherson, Wolanin, Dzingel, Pageau, Hoffman, Stone and Borowiecki were all taken by Ottawa in the 4th or later rounds; but let's put that aside.
For me, this is about Kerfoot being overpaid for what he brings. He has two more seasons before being UFA and he would most definitely NOT be in Ottawa's top 6.
Considering the cap is staying put and the expansion draft is coming fast - Ottawa should have many better options; I just hope they do this right.
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Feb 28 at 12:39
#10
sbinalla
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Quoting: leafs101
ok but the odds of finding an NHL player better than Kerfoot in the third round are very, very low.


ik im jk
Feb 28 at 12:39
#11
sbinalla
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Quoting: MapleLeafsForever34
pointing out the exceptions only proves the rule!


ik im jk
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Feb 28 at 12:53
#12
Wayne Glensky
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Quoting: sabresspoonz3737
buf says lol


are you expecting to get mcdavid for him or something??
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Feb 28 at 12:57
#13
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Quoting: Borocop
are you expecting to get mcdavid for him or something??


no. but not that return
Feb 28 at 1:02
#14
Wayne Glensky
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Quoting: sabresspoonz3737
no. but not that return


then what are you expecting? if the sabres decide to blow it up or he wants out, getting a 24 y/o legit top 6 forward under contract for 4 years at a reasonable cap hip, 2 top-flight defensive prospects, a high end forward prospect and 2 first round picks would be a fantastic return imo, id even say its an overpayment to be completely honest
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Feb 28 at 1:03
#15
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Quoting: Borocop
then what are you expecting? if the sabres decide to blow it up or he wants out, getting a 24 y/o legit top 6 forward under contract for 4 years at a reasonable cap hip, 2 top-flight defensive prospects, a high end forward prospect and 2 first round picks would be a fantastic return imo, id even say its an overpayment to be completely honest


marner, 3 firsts to start
Feb 28 at 1:25
#16
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Quoting: TCMonkey
First off, Batherson, Wolanin, Dzingel, Pageau, Hoffman, Stone and Borowiecki were all taken by Ottawa in the 4th or later rounds; but let's put that aside.
For me, this is about Kerfoot being overpaid for what he brings. He has two more seasons before being UFA and he would most definitely NOT be in Ottawa's top 6.
Considering the cap is staying put and the expansion draft is coming fast - Ottawa should have many better options; I just hope they do this right.


Hitting on 3rd picks or later even getting an NHL player isn’t a recipe for success. The fact OTT did is a testament to luck more than the value of late picks because as expected after the 1st rd the odds of a player playing playing in more than 99 NHL games (just playing)drops from 74% to 34% in the 2nd to the mid 20’s for the 3rd to under 20% . OTT isn’t good period, and worrying about losing ONE player in the XD is how teams got cute and helped create a contender in VGK (looking right at FLA, MIN and CBJ), or cap space when there is plenty and eschewing some consideration for leadership and professionalism is a mistake. Now this is all just my take but would it really be a bad thing for OTT to add a guy who can play center and wing, because who is really a top 6 guy on OTT right now that would be a top 6 guy on a good team? Tkachuk, Stuetzle, Dadonov the rest are a mix of young haven’t proven it yet like Norris and Batherson or guys who are probably better suited for the bottom 6. Really for 2 3rd picks I don’t see the down side but that’s just my take.
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Feb 28 at 1:28
#17
Wayne Glensky
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Quoting: sabresspoonz3737
marner, 3 firsts to start


yeah but if he wants out, or bufflo is shopping him the leafs arent going to offer marner
Feb 28 at 1:29
#18
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Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
I don’t mind the fit with Kerfoot but is he worth 2 high third round picks. Both of those would likely be in the late 60’s


With a success rate of what 25% and getting a player in 3 or 4 years? At some point OTT has to convert some of their draft capital into viable NHL talent, and there is a lot to be said about bringing in a guy who has been a part of winning culture. But that’s just me, looks like a low risk deal for OTT.
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Feb 28 at 1:32
#19
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Quoting: maplelaughs2297
brad marchand was in the third round tears of joy


So was Troy Bourke
Feb 28 at 1:42
#20
sbinalla
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Quoting: Xqb15a
So was Troy Bourke


ya so...
Feb 28 at 1:43
#21
sbinalla
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Quoting: Xqb15a
So was Troy Bourke


im just saying he was in the third round whats wrong with that
Feb 28 at 1:48
#22
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Quoting: maplelaughs2297
im just saying he was in the third round whats wrong with that


Me too
Feb 28 at 3:38
#23
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Quoting: leafs101
ok but the odds of finding an NHL player better than Kerfoot in the third round are very, very low.


Hey dude, completely unrelated to your ACGM... I can't remember if you're a baseball/blue Jays fan? I'm pretty sure you are but I haven't been on here in a while.
Feb 28 at 4:52
#24
Hockey 1st Sens 2nd
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Quoting: Xqb15a
Hitting on 3rd picks or later even getting an NHL player isn’t a recipe for success. The fact OTT did is a testament to luck more than the value of late picks because as expected after the 1st rd the odds of a player playing playing in more than 99 NHL games (just playing)drops from 74% to 34% in the 2nd to the mid 20’s for the 3rd to under 20% . OTT isn’t good period, and worrying about losing ONE player in the XD is how teams got cute and helped create a contender in VGK (looking right at FLA, MIN and CBJ), or cap space when there is plenty and eschewing some consideration for leadership and professionalism is a mistake. Now this is all just my take but would it really be a bad thing for OTT to add a guy who can play center and wing, because who is really a top 6 guy on OTT right now that would be a top 6 guy on a good team? Tkachuk, Stuetzle, Dadonov the rest are a mix of young haven’t proven it yet like Norris and Batherson or guys who are probably better suited for the bottom 6. Really for 2 3rd picks I don’t see the down side but that’s just my take.


I never said it was a recipe for success, I was merely pointing out that Ottawa has found a lot of good / great players in later rounds. Ottawa could do much better with that roster spot and cap room. To be very blunt, I don't like Kerfoot. He doesn't have the talent to play top 6 and he doesn't fit into our bottom 6 well at all. He's not hard to play against; he doesn't even forecheck. And your comment on Batherson and Norris is just wrong. Norris is bigger, faster, has better possession stats, way better face-off stats (while taking draws as a 1st line pivot) and his .52 p/gp is better than Kerfoot's. And he's 5 years YOUNGER than Kerfoot, and currently 2nd in rookie scoring. BATHERSON has a better p/gp right now than Kerfoot has ever had. He's 22.
Feb 28 at 6:56
#25
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cheeks klapanen
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
Hey dude, completely unrelated to your ACGM... I can't remember if you're a baseball/blue Jays fan? I'm pretty sure you are but I haven't been on here in a while.


mildly yes. Don't watch it religiously like I do the NHL and the Leafs but I am a Jays fan and keep tabs on the team and MLB
 
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