The Penguins have filed for bankruptcy twice (1975 & 1998), Super Mario saved them with deferred salary in the form of equity. Their attendance was around 11k vs 15k with Crosby (2007+ but you also have to factor Geno) but you also have to remember that a hard salary cap wasn't enforced during those financial hardships. You also have to remember you're talking a small market team vs. a large market team that even with extremely front loaded contracts (eg. Matthews, Marner, JT, Nylander), Cash > AAV, they still profited 50M+ in a shorted season (19-20). He will help in jersey sales, I'll give him that.
I'm new to hockey because I watch junior in addition to NHL? When did I hype anyone up, again words in my mouth. You do understand players take different development paths? Some FO like to ripen their prospects more than others. The youngest kid in the draft isn't playing routine top 6 minutes in the NHL in their D+2 season, isn't a concern when their playing solid in the AHL. You haven't said any concerns of his except height and draft position and I keep asking. Have you seen him play or not?
I never once said impact but rather contribute to the on ice product at a significant discount above replacement level. I'm fully aware of the odds of each occurring there are articles specifically catering to this, I personally prefer the Dobber one. I'm stating the value difference between 2 A prospects, 2 firsts, and 2 B prospects seems a little heavy for the difference between JT & Crosby without considering NTCs/NMCs.
you are rambling here and making no sense what so ever.
small market team vs. a large market team.... no one is talking about TOR finances. When crosby is gone, PIT income will probably return to looking like CBJ.. either in the red or barely above it. JT isn't preventing that from happening.
**** has nothing to do with TOR. You move Crosby you kill their income for the next few years, and that's a major hit. If you think that is worth a hand full of 50/50 prospects and a few 1/4 prospects good luck to you. Something tells me the people actually on the hook for the money don't agree.
Watching Juniors has nothing to do with anything I said. I watch juniors and NCAA too and a lot of Euro hockey as it's my home. But that has 0 to do with 2nd round over hype of guys that never pan out.
Like all of them got their hype from their previous levels of hockey. Playing good there isn't necessarily a predictor to being an NHL player. Again, a guy you should be familiar with, Donato...killed it in NCAA and he was older, an even better sign. I mean 26 goals in 29 games is great production at NCAA level. Didn't mean **** for him turning into a good NHL player. You just don't seem to get that. There is a reason 2nd round picks have a 25% chance to even make 300 NHL games. It doesn't even mean they made a real impact, just that they played 300 games. Yes I have seen him play. That means nothing.
There is such a huge jump to the NHL that previous play at junior levels means little to nothing. You can only get a feel for a guy. It's very rare you can look at a guy at those levels and say, yes right there. Like Stutzle was pretty evident. But that had to do with things that set him apart that are very rare. Speed, acceleration. You can't hide those or fake them and they translate with on issues. Nick doesn't have those things. That doesn't mean he's slow, but he's not Stutzle fast. He doesn't stick out. When you see Stutzle play in the minors the speed was at unreal level, you knew he was fast enough to play at the NHL level. Guys picked in the 2nd round don't stand out like that, and you can't "grow in to it." You aren't magically gaining that kind of speed. You are either born with it or you are not. There is no part of Nick's game that one says, he was born with that. He's a hyped up name. Could he develop, sure all guys can develop into an NHL player. But facts are he odds of doing it are low, and the odds he's any kind of impact player are lower than that. But you believe what you want. Sure, juniors is some great predictor or guys who didn't really stick out there.
Who cares what Dobber says. Dobber is wrong frequently. Matter of fact more wrong than right. They make money hyping players.
As I said, you think the difference between JT and Crosby is close. I don't. Crosby can carry a total bum like Simon on his back and make him look really good. JT could never do that.
There is a night and day difference between them. That difference plus the impact it has on the penguins financially is worth that asking price. 2 late firsts is nothing. 2 2nd round prospects also doesn't hold all that much weight. The first round prospects are decent but they are still 50/50 chance to ever be a 300 game player be it 1st or 4th line.
anyway, I'm bored with this circular discussion. You have made no real point of any value to counter these guys actual draft odds of being an NHL player. Mainly because there isn't one to make. It is what it is.
You got a guy with a name you're obsessed with. Who has played 1 NHL game. That's a lot of hype for a guy who's played 1 NHL game.