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Vilardi to TO

Created by: AkiLumme
Initial Creation Date: Feb 28, 2021
Published: Feb 28 at 12:46
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
LA uses their surplus of young forwards to upgrade their D. Leafs get a young cost controlled centre. Who says no? Who adds or subtracts?
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hyman, Zach5$4,500,000
Andersen, Frederik3$4,500,000
Bogosian, Zach1$1,000,000
Simmonds, Wayne1$1,500,000
Thornton, Joe1$750,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Vilardi, Gabriel
  2. MacDermid, Kurtis
LAK
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
TOR
    Seattle Expansion
    ARI
    1. Kerfoot, Alexander
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    2022
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    2023
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$81,085,617$0$850,000$414,383
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    TOR
    Thornton, Joe
    $750,000
    C, LW
    UFA
    TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Marner, Mitchell
    $10,903,000
    RW
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Robertson, Nicholas
    $821,667
    LW
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    $6,962,366
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Hyman, Zach
    $4,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA
    LAK
    Vilardi, Gabriel
    $894,167
    C
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Mikheyev, Ilya
    $1,645,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Simmonds, Wayne
    $1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA
    TOR
    Engvall, Pierre
    $1,250,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Anderson, Joey
    $750,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Brooks, Adam
    $725,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    TOR
    Rielly, Morgan
    $5,000,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Brodie, TJ
    $5,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Andersen, Frederik
    $4,500,000
    G
    UFA
    TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Holl, Justin
    $2,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    $1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Bogosian, Zach
    $1,000,000
    RD
    UFA
    LAK
    MacDermid, Kurtis
    $875,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1

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    Feb 28 at 12:51
    #1
    PuckLuck_77
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    Vilardi NOT to Toronto.

    Fixed your title for you.
    Feb 28 at 12:53
    #2
    TanSor
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    It would take a lot more than that for Vilardi
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    Feb 28 at 12:54
    #3
    KINGS67
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    Ha!

    Absolutely not
    Feb 28 at 12:56
    #4
    ZiggyPalffy
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    Add Sandin and Kings still decline.

    Vilardi isn't a 3C either...
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    Feb 28 at 12:57
    #5
    AkiLumme
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    Add Sandin and Kings still decline.


    That's just stupid
    Feb 28 at 12:57
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    tryger
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    Kings decline, Vilardi is doing well at the NHL level (playing second line center) and graduated from prospect. Kings haven’t even seen his ceiling yet and will need to be paid accordingly. Nick Robertson or Lehtonen level players need to be coming back.
    Feb 28 at 12:57
    #7
    GenXHockey
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    Add Sandin and Kings still decline.

    Vilardi isn't a 3C either...


    I don’t think either team wants to make this trade.
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    Feb 28 at 12:57
    #8
    ZiggyPalffy
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    Quoting: AkiLumme
    That's just stupid


    How so?
    Feb 28 at 12:58
    #9
    ZiggyPalffy
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    I don’t think either team wants to make this trade.


    Definitely not
    Feb 28 at 12:59
    #10
    Bdawwwgy1
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    Quoting: AkiLumme
    That's just stupid


    its really not.
    Feb 28 at 1:02
    #11
    AkiLumme
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    Edited Feb 28 at 1:07
    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    How so?


    General consensus is that Sandin is better prospect than Vilardi. Not saying I agree (probably close), but to add to a trade where you get Dermott who would play in the Kings top 4 and Liljegren who is a top D in the AHL would be a massive overpay for the Leafs. I could see a Sandin-Vilardi trade making sense but not on top of Dermott and Liljegren.
    Feb 28 at 1:03
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    AkiLumme
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    Quoting: tryger
    Kings decline, Vilardi is doing well at the NHL level (playing second line center) and graduated from prospect. Kings haven’t even seen his ceiling yet and will need to be paid accordingly. Nick Robertson or Lehtonen level players need to be coming back.


    Would be happy to swap out Lehtonen for Dermott.
    Feb 28 at 1:04
    #13
    mhockey91
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    Quoting: AkiLumme
    Would be happy to swap out Lehtonen for Dermott.


    He definitely didn’t mean Lehtonen. Must’ve been a typo
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    Feb 28 at 1:06
    #14
    AkiLumme
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    I get it Kings fans, you REALLY like Vilardi. Who are you willing to give up instead. Would swapping Vilardi for Kupari make any sense?
    Feb 28 at 1:07
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    ZiggyPalffy
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    Quoting: AkiLumme
    General consensus is that Sandin is better prospect than Vilardi. Not saying I agree (probably close), but to add to a trade where you get Dermott who would play in the Kings top 4 and Liljegren who is a top D in the AHL would be a massive overpay for the Leafs. I could see a trade Sandin-Vilardi trade making sense but not on top of Dermott and Liljegren.


    Except Vilardi isn't a prospect, he's a 2C at the NHL level. Sandin is a prospect that hasn't been able to hold a spot in the NHL.

    There isn't a trade to be made.
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    Feb 28 at 1:09
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    tryger
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    Quoting: AkiLumme
    General consensus is that Sandin is better prospect than Vilardi. Not saying I agree (probably close), but to add to a trade where you get Dermott who would play in the Kings top 4 and Liljegren who is a top D in the AHL would be a massive overpay for the Leafs. I could see a trade Sandin-Vilardi trade making sense but not on top of Dermott and Liljegren.


    The problem here is (1) Vilardi has already graduated and Sandin has not (2) That Sandin couldn’t beat out Dermott and Lehtonen for more ice time this season tells me he’s not ready yet (3) Vilardi is already a Calder candidate and eating real minutes at the NHL than Sandin (4) could you please show the prospect ranking list that has Vilardi and Sandin close? They have always been in different draft tiers.

    I don’t want Sandin if I’m Blake, I want Lehtonen, Vilardi is the Kings best graduated prospect if a team wants him, it won’t be cheap.
    Feb 28 at 1:11
    #17
    AkiLumme
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    Except Vilardi isn't a prospect, he's a 2C at the NHL level. Sandin is a prospect that hasn't been able to hold a spot in the NHL.

    There isn't a trade to be made.


    He's a 2C on a mediocre hockey team, not a 2C for most teams. Sandin is a year younger and he's a defenseman (i.e. longer to develop) playing on a team with a backlog of LD. I'm not sure there's a single LD on the Kings that would crack the Leafs lineup.
    Feb 28 at 1:12
    #18
    ZiggyPalffy
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    Quoting: AkiLumme
    I get it Kings fans, you REALLY like Vilardi. Who are you willing to give up instead. Would swapping Vilardi for Kupari make any sense?


    Probably not. We can't protect Dermott from Seattle so it's basically Kupari for Liljegren. I like Liljegren a lot, but Kupari was leading the AHL in points before being assigned to the Taxi Squad. I don't think it would be wide to trade him at this time.

    I'd consider Akil Thomas for Liljegren.
    Feb 28 at 1:12
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    ZiggyPalffy
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    Quoting: tryger
    The problem here is (1) Vilardi has already graduated and Sandin has not (2) That Sandin couldn’t beat out Dermott and Lehtonen for more ice time this season tells me he’s not ready yet (3) Vilardi is already a Calder candidate and eating real minutes at the NHL than Sandin (4) could you please show the prospect ranking list that has Vilardi and Sandin close? They have always been in different draft tiers.

    I don’t want Sandin if I’m Blake, I want Lehtonen, Vilardi is the Kings best graduated prospect if a team wants him, it won’t be cheap.


    I agree with everything except wanting Lehtonen over Sandin lol
    Feb 28 at 1:16
    #20
    AkiLumme
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    Quoting: tryger
    The problem here is (1) Vilardi has already graduated and Sandin has not (2) That Sandin couldn’t beat out Dermott and Lehtonen for more ice time this season tells me he’s not ready yet (3) Vilardi is already a Calder candidate and eating real minutes at the NHL than Sandin (4) could you please show the prospect ranking list that has Vilardi and Sandin close? They have always been in different draft tiers.

    I don’t want Sandin if I’m Blake, I want Lehtonen, Vilardi is the Kings best graduated prospect if a team wants him, it won’t be cheap.


    Who do you mean by Lehtonen? Surely you don't mean Mikko Lehtonen.

    A few recent prospect rankings published by The Athletic have Sandin ahead of Vilardi. I haven't seen anywhere that has the reverse. Mind you Vilardi's stock has surely risen this year.
    Feb 28 at 1:17
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    AkiLumme
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    Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
    Probably not. We can't protect Dermott from Seattle so it's basically Kupari for Liljegren. I like Liljegren a lot, but Kupari was leading the AHL in points before being assigned to the Taxi Squad. I don't think it would be wide to trade him at this time.

    I'd consider Akil Thomas for Liljegren.


    Who would you be protecting instead of Dermott? I have trouble finding players worth protecting to even get to the minimum lol.
    Feb 28 at 1:18
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    ZiggyPalffy
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    Quoting: AkiLumme
    He's a 2C on a mediocre hockey team, not a 2C for most teams. Sandin is a year younger and he's a defenseman (i.e. longer to develop) playing on a team with a backlog of LD. I'm not sure there's a single LD on the Kings that would crack the Leafs lineup.


    Mikey Anderson who already has a few Calder votes would definitely be playing 3LD if he were on the Leafs, but that's a useless argument.

    Given the fact that half the teams in the league don't have a good 2C, I'd say you're wrong about Vilardi.

    It doesn't matter though because as it stands the Kings are right outside a playoff spot and Vilardi is a big part in why we aren't at the bottom again.

    That argument that because the Kings are a bad team that's why he plays 2C instead of 3C doesn't really hold weight anymore.
    Feb 28 at 1:19
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    tryger
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    Quoting: AkiLumme
    He's a 2C on a mediocre hockey team, not a 2C for most teams. Sandin is a year younger and he's a defenseman (i.e. longer to develop) playing on a team with a backlog of LD. I'm not sure there's a single LD on the Kings that would crack the Leafs lineup.


    Quoting: AkiLumme
    Would be happy to swap out Lehtonen for Dermott.


    I’d take the Lehtonen trade, he’s going to be great and worth the wait.

    Vilardi is a 2C on his rookie year is what is more impressive, and that has launched a basement team to middle of the pack. The only point Sandin might have had equal value to Vilardi was when his back was injured for a year threatening his career entirely. He’s healthy and nearly a non-tradable asset.
    Feb 28 at 1:19
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    ZiggyPalffy
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    Quoting: AkiLumme
    Who would you be protecting instead of Dermott? I have trouble finding players worth protecting to even get to the minimum lol.


    Doughty, Roy, and Walker. If we go 4-4-1, add Clague to that list.
    Feb 28 at 1:20
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    ZiggyPalffy
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    Quoting: tryger
    I’d take the Lehtonen trade, he’s going to be great and worth the wait.

    Vilardi is a 2C on his rookie year is what is more impressive, and that has launched a basement team to middle of the pack. The only point Sandin might have had equal value to Vilardi was when his back was injured for a year threatening his career entirely. He’s healthy and nearly a non-tradable asset.


    Why on God's green earth do you value Lehtonen so high?
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