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Created by: Mediumyeet

Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 28, 2021

Published: Feb. 28, 2021

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This trade would be after the season but before the expansion draft.

For Minnesota, ya you give up some really top end prospects but you’re getting Jack Eichel in return. I don’t think the value of having Eichel has to be explained.

Minnesota is going to have to pay Seattle to keep Dumba or let him go there for free.

Buffalo gets some top prospects and can flip Dumba for more picks/prospects or keep him and trade someone like ristolainen.

Buffalo could end up with something like:
Rossi
Boldy
1st rounder
1st rounder (dumba)
Mid tier prospect (dumba)

Edit: Buffalo would end up with a new core to build around of. Cozens, Dahlin, Jack Quinn, Rossi, Boldy, Mittelstadt (maybe), + whatever you get for dumba/ristolainen. And the additional 1st rounder from this trade.

If they trade Eichel I think this is the way to go, whether it’s this trade or something similar. But getting some high end prospects out of the deal and setting them up with a new core of young guns to build around. Trading eichel for current roster players doesn’t do much for the sabres in terms of creating a long term plan for a competitive team.

Trades

BUF

Boldy, Matthew [Reserve List]
Dumba, Matt
Rossi, Marco
2021 1st round pick (PIT)

MIN

Eichel, Jack

Buyouts

Cody Hodgson: $791,667
Christian Ehrhoff: $0

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$81,500,000	$72,025,791	$1,487,500	$4,337,500	$9,474,209

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Skinner, Jeff $9,000,000$9,000,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 7	Rossi, Marco $925,000$925,000 C RFA - 5	Okposo, Kyle $6,000,000$6,000,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 3
Hall, Taylor $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW NMC UFA - 1	Cozens, Dylan $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) C, LW UFA - 3	Reinhart, Sam $5,200,000$5,200,000 RW UFA - 1
Olofsson, Victor $3,050,000$3,050,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Staal, Eric $1,625,000$1,625,000 C M-NTC UFA - 1	Rieder, Tobias $700,000$700,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Sheahan, Riley $700,000$700,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Eakin, Cody $2,250,000$2,250,000 C UFA - 2
	Thompson, Tage $1,400,000$1,400,000 C UFA - 3
	Mittelstadt, Casey $874,125$874,125 LW, C RFA - 1
	Lazar, Curtis $800,000$800,000 RW, C UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Montour, Brandon $3,850,000$3,850,000 RD UFA - 1	Ristolainen, Rasmus $5,400,000$5,400,000 RD UFA - 2	Hutton, Carter $2,750,000$2,750,000 G UFA - 1
Dahlin, Rasmus $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) LD/RD UFA - 1	Miller, Colin $3,875,000$3,875,000 RD UFA - 2	Johansson, Jonas $700,000$700,000 G UFA - 1
Bryson, Jacob $889,166$889,166 LD/RD RFA - 2	Jokiharju, Henri $925,000$925,000 ($637,500$638K) RD RFA - 1
Dumba, Matt $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD UFA - 3	Irwin, Matt $700,000$700,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	McCabe, Jake $2,850,000$2,850,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Girgensons, Zemgus $2,200,000$2,200,000 LW, C UFA - 3
	Ullmark, Linus $2,600,000$2,600,000 G UFA - 1
	Borgen, William $864,166$864,166 RD UFA - 1

Taxi Squad
Fitzgerald, Casey $858,750$858,750 ($0$0$0$0) RD UFA - 1
Asplund, Rasmus $845,000$845,000 ($0$0$0$0) LW, C RFA - 1
Tokarski, Dustin $725,000$725,000 ($0$0$0$0) G UFA - 2
Davidson, Brandon $700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0) LD UFA - 1

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:04 p.m.

hockeyconnor97

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Not a bad idea reuniting rossi and quinn, and Minnesota finally gets an elite center to play with Kaprizov or Fiala

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:05 p.m.

sabresspoonz3737

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nah, i dont like this as a sabres fan. Rossi and the 1st is good, but there has to be impact players going back also. Not sure who u would trade. I would obviously like Kaprizov but i think that's unrealistic. So i guess add Fiala and more

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:06 p.m.

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"Minnesota is going to have to pay Seattle to keep Dumba or let him go there for free."

I doubt it, we will just protect 8 skaters in expansion.

I'm guessing Buffalo will want Fiala + picks/prospects

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.

OrganizedConfusion5

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no.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:11 p.m.

Mediumyeet

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Quoting: TanSor

If they protect 8 then they are exposing Eriksson Ek or Greenway in the expansion.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:14 p.m.

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Quoting: sabresspoonz3737

My thought on this is Buffalo decides to rebuild around cozens, dahlin, Rossi, boldy. Then you get a 1st as well and flip dumba for another 1st or prospect or both.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:15 p.m.

sabresspoonz3737

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

My thought on this is Buffalo decides to rebuild around cozens, dahlin, Rossi, boldy. Then you get a 1st as well and flip dumba for another 1st or prospect or both.

switch boldy for fiala. or add fiala and buf can give montour/miller

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:16 p.m.

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

If they protect 8 then they are exposing Eriksson Ek or Greenway in the expansion.

Why would we lose Ek...? Kaprizov is exempt.

Parise (NMC)
Zuccarello (NMC)
Fiala
Eriksson Ek
Suter (NMC)
Spurgeon (NMC)
Brodin (NMC)
Dumba

I'm fine losing Greenway if it means we keep Ek and Dumba.

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:17 p.m.

Mediumyeet

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Quoting: sabresspoonz3737

switch boldy for fiala. or add fiala and buf can give montour/miller

The thing with that Buf adding a dman is then there is no point in trading Dumba in this because the additional Dman will be exposed to Seattle for nothing.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:18 p.m.

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

The thing with that Buf adding a dman is then there is no point in trading Dumba in this because the additional Dman will be exposed to Seattle for nothing.

buf give thompson

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:19 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

Why would we lose Ek...? Kaprizov is exempt.

Parise (NMC)
Zuccarello (NMC)
Fiala
Eriksson Ek
Suter (NMC)
Spurgeon (NMC)
Brodin (NMC)
Dumba

I'm fine losing Greenway if it means we keep Ek and Dumba.

That’s why I said greenway or Ek. I personally wouldn’t want to lose greenway. Guys with his size and skill already producing at his age are extremely rare.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:19 p.m.

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Quoting: sabresspoonz3737

switch boldy for fiala. or add fiala and buf can give montour/miller

I wouldn't touch that. I'd love Eichel, but Fiala, Rossi, Dumba, and a 1st is an insane price to pay.

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:24 p.m.

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

That’s why I said greenway or Ek. I personally wouldn’t want to lose greenway. Guys with his size and skill already producing at his age are extremely rare.

Sure, but I'd rather have Dumba and Ek. We have a ton of talented wingers in our system. Look, I don't want to lose any of them but we (and many other teams) got burned last expansion by making deals to protect players we thought were big parts of our future. I say bite the bullet, accept you're going to lose a good player, and move on instead of giving up multiple picks/prospects/players that could turn into really good pieces for Seattle.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:24 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

I wouldn't touch that. I'd love Eichel, but Fiala, Rossi, Dumba, and a 1st is an insane price to pay.

Agreed. Boldy, Rossi, higher of the firsts this year, dumba (with a third team in their to take dumba for another first +) would be a solid return. Maybe add a mid tier roster player or something, but it’s not far off.

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:27 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

I wouldn't touch that. I'd love Eichel, but Fiala, Rossi, Dumba, and a 1st is an insane price to pay.

I agree. Eichel is obviously worth a lot but he’s not mcdavid. If fiala and dumba were in the deal then Rossi would have to be removed from it and I think as a long term play for Buffalo Rossi would be more valuable than Fiala.

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:27 p.m.

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Quoting: Lsendel3

I agree, that seems ballpark to me even if I'm not sure I'd pay that, but I still think Buffalo would require Fiala or Kaprizov as part of the deal. Our organization is really high on Rossi.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

I agree, that seems ballpark to me, but I still think Buffalo would require Fiala or Kaprizov as part of the deal.

Maybe. If they trade Eichel they need to think long term. Those are now guys, and counter productive for the wild to trade them if acquiring Eichel imo

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:30 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

That’s my point with this trade though. I agree it’s not worth giving up picks/prospects to protect someone. But if you can use someone like dumba in a deal to make your team better with a stud like eichel and as a result it allows you not to lose any good players then that is a win. You’re getting much better with eichel and you’re not losing anyone of worth in expansion.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:32 p.m.

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Quoting: Lsendel3

Exactly. Even if it isn’t a third team involved right away but Buffalo protects dumba and then moves him after expansion when other teams don’t have to worry about using a protection spot on him. Get another 1st and prospect or something similar to that value for dumba.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:34 p.m.

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Quoting: Lsendel3

Maybe. If they trade Eichel they need to think long term. Those are now guys, and counter productive for the wild to trade them if acquiring Eichel imo

You're right, but I think it depends on how big of a leash Kevyn Adams has. If it's short, he'll want a proven, young, talented player (like Fiala) to keep the Sabres as competitive as you could be after trading Eichel. If he has the green light to go full rebuild then he might be traded for futures. The 2022 draft is loaded with high-end centers so I have to wonder if the latter is true then Adams would be looking for a first in that draft. I think Rossi might be an untouchable piece for us, even in an Eichel trade. We almost traded Boldy to the Panthers to select Askarov but the Preds sniped him, but I imagine he'd be on the table in a hypothetical Eichel deal.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:36 p.m.

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No thx

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:37 p.m.

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It would have to be an offseason trade. Dumba being gone is about the only cap that works for MN. Dumba does nothing for BUF though.

$10m in space is hard to come up with for MN. From MN that's MarJo + Bonino/Rask + Bjugstad; those guys and $7.50 with get you a coffee and a donut.

Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:38 p.m.

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

I think we're in agreement here, my point was that we aren't going to trade Dumba just because of the expansion. He's better than Ek and Greenway. I'm totally fine with moving Dumba in an Eichel package but Buffalo doesn't really need him. I know you said they can flip him but that doesn't happen often.

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:38 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

I get that, but if I’m KA and the green light is on, Rossi is a must in an Eichel trade otherwise he won’t be a wild. The conversation would be as simple as that for me.

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Feb. 28, 2021 at 2:38 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

I agree, that seems ballpark to me even if I'm not sure I'd pay that, but I still think Buffalo would require Fiala or Kaprizov as part of the deal. Our organization is really high on Rossi.

The organization can be high on a prospect, but those blinders come off when you're looking at a player the quality of Eichel.

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