Poolman(to replace Dumba who is a FA), Samberg and CBJ 3rd for Dumba

Problem with that is even though Poolman is also a FA, he could easily be picked up by Seattle. Also, in this scenario, Dumba would be extended so it’s not like you’re paying for a rental. With that said, does that change your offer and if so, how so? Thanks for the comment!

I’d say Samberg, Chisholm and especially Perfetti and Heinola aren’t going anywhere

Dumba can't be extended until he only has a year remaining.

We need center prospects or a top 6 center and the Jets won't be willing to move any of their assets that fit those two criteria for Dumba. We don't need any defenseman or winger prospects.

Unless we are getting a high-end top 6 forward with some term or top pairing rd with size (and term) im not moving heinola or perfetti.

I'd consider samberg but only for a high-end top 4 rd with size and at least 2 years.

Everyone else is fair game for me, though I would rather keep vesalainen and gustaffsson but I can also stomach losing them for the right pieces

I don’t know why I thought Dumba had only one year left my bad

He's signed through 2023

I think with all the expansion talk people assume since he has about one year left as a Wild seemingly that he has one year left on his contract. It’s so odd how expansions makes us think lol

Well, if it comes to it, we'll protect 8 skaters. He's better than any of our forwards that that we'd potentially expose by protecting him. Trading him certainly makes expansion easier, but I'm not losing any sleep if we lose someone like Greenway to keep Dumba.

So based on Dumba being a ideal second pairing RD and having 3 years remaining, what would your offer be?

I think fair value for Dumba is similar to what Zucker got, both are top of the line up players in their prime with term. That was a 1st and a A-/B+ prospect. Rumor was that Dumba was offered for the Perfetti pick but Jets said no (good call on their part).

I don’t know who the prospect would be that gets this done. It won’t be Perfetti or Heinola and I’m not sold on Vesalainen/Gustaffsson. I would guess Vesalainen does it from an org standpoint but I think BG is holding out until after expansion to get the return he wants.

Ask from wild gm is Top 6c, or high 1st with top 6c prospect. Wild aren't taking on Dylan d. Wikd aren't taking any d back in a Dumba trade.

With the way Dumba resurgence this season, yeah Dumba's value has gone up.

Well realistic the ask from wild GM is a top 6c , Or high 1st with a top 6c

Wild GM has made it clear he has no problem with doing 4 & 4 if his asking price isn't met

Not much tbh. I would really be after Dumba. I’d want a big guy with shutdown capabilities who can also move the puck. Dumba doesn’t cross of 2 of those boxes to me. Therefore, he isn’t worth the price to the jets. However, if he was what we are looking for (ie if he had more size and was better in his own end), I’d consider parting with Samberg for him. However, I’d only consider it. My package would likely be: Stanley, harkins, and a 1st at most. Maybe the fact that he’s not what we are looking for is clouding my view there.

You are 100% right that Dumba is not a shut down guy. He is, however, much better in his own end than is to believed from how people talk about him. Part of his lack in production after coming back from injury last year was because of a greater focus on play in his own end. This year he has really rounded out his game while remaining an offensive threat.

If MIN asked for a 1st, Vesalainen, and Copp/Lowry, what more would need to come back to WPG?

Nothing. That would be the deal. Minnesota adds nothing to that.

I think Copp/Lowry needs something to equalize the deal. Vesalainen and a 1st isn’t enough but adding one of those guys probably makes it swing too far to the Wild. Not by much, but enough to keep it from going through.

I would hope if Minnesota asks for Winnipeg's 1st that the Jets would say no thanks and move on. Dumba just doesn't fit the type of defenseman Winnipeg needs, so I'd rather keep the 1st.

Then we don't need Copp or Lowry. Bottom 6 players are easy enough to find. They can add something else to make the cap work.

A RHD shutdown guy is more of the need?

I’m only asking because I’ve got bigger ideas. There’s no fit in MIN for those guys, I agree.

Yes, preferably one with size. The Jets don't need more offense, they need a guy that can keep the front of the net clear and shutdown the other teams scorers.

That makes sense. Dumba would fit like a glove in WPG from the little I know but Pionk has been good this year too.

I would be interested in hearing about the other ideas. Because I don't see what kind of reasoning there would be to add any additional value for a bottom 6 player. That deal is already light enough as is with how underwhelming Vesalainen is.

I wouldn’t do it tbh. For that price, it simply isn’t worth it to the jets. No knock on dumba, but he simply isn’t what we’re looking for