Greiss is worth more than that

No he's not. He's 35 and has a .882 sv% goalies also have terrible trade value. Subban being younger and an RFA is worth more than Greiss alone.

Greiss is playing behind the second worst team in the entire league (I'd argue the worst) & they hang him out to dry. Subban's % last year with Vegas, a good team, was .890 so a .008% difference.

If bernier had another year on his deal id think about it

And yet Bernier is doing just fine.......Again. Not worth a 4th alone.

I dont think his numbers help his cause this year

Ok I agree Greiss isn't worth a lot but the Wing's who have only put up 5 goals in a game 5 times in the last 2 seasons put up 5 on Subban with out Larkin and Bertuzzi 2 of their best and most consistent offensive players. There is a reason Subban will most likely start next season on his 4th team before he hits 28. That being said I do like Wallmark and I think he could help Detroit. Before this could happen Detroit would have to resign Bernier and as much as I'd like that to happen it might not happen and since Greiss has a year left on his contract if they move Bernier I don't see Greiss being traded. While Greiss's numbers are pretty bad I don't see Subban's being much better in the same situation. But if Detroit does resign and decide to keep Bernier I would make this trade.

Chicago needs a veteran and I do think Bernier resigns in Detroit

You bring up a VERY fair point. I try to be as neutral as possible when it comes to trades, but sometimes it escapes me. My value of Subban might have been too high. I do think Bernier is a very under-rated goalie.

@aedoran Can I ask you a question about Mantha? It's not intended to be a trap question, but it might be.

What do you think is his issue right now? I've seen more DET games this year than I typically do. Heck , I'm sitting in Ann Arbor right now... I just watch him play and from my point of view...he doesn't want to be a Red Wing. It's rough to watch him play. What do you think?

I agree and since he has been on Detroit for over a year not a lot of people realize how good he has been. Howard got Detroit's first 2 wins last season the second coming on 10/29/19 and Greiss got his first on 02/17/21 thats 3 wins between the 2 of them and Bernier has the other 21 wins that Detroit has. While I wish it would've been against another team but I was glad to see Kane hit 400.

I'm sorry but you are seriously reading this wrong if that is what you think he wants out of Detroit. Why did the sign a 4yr deal if he wants out of Detroit? He would've been a UFA in 2 years. Why did he buy a house in Detroit if he wants out? He bought the house before he signed that 4yr deal. This wasn't meant to be an insult and even though I think you are misreading the situation I would be happy to discuss this some more with you.

Thanks and I do intend this convo to be honest and not bashing. I'm straight up curious. Maybe my word not wanting to be a Red Wing wasn't 100% what I was intending. I don't think he dislikes the Red Wings. To me, it looks like he doesn't want to play hockey right now for any team. I'll point to one example that I feel like happens more often than it should. NO, one example doesn't make a career or a season or even a game. I get that. It's just one breakdown of film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhGezLxdt3E&t=106s

The Zadorov goal. The play starts at exactly 1:00. Blackhawks steal the puck and in doing so Filppula loses his stick. Not exactly how the play was drawn up, but that happens in hockey and it's not like Filppula lost his stick on purpose either. Kampf brings the puck up the wing and waits for the trailer. Pretty standard hockey play that happens many times every game. The trailer happens to be Nikita Zadorov. That man is most likely the slowest man in the entire NHL. What gets me about this whole thing is that A.) I do believe Mantha could have caught him. but B.) Not only was Mantha not there...Filppula went and picked up his stick and beat Mantha to Zadorov. I can sit here and say that I understand it was probably Filppula's guy to get, but he lost his stick. I'm honestly curious to know what Mantha was thinking as the play happened? That's not my guy so I don't have to go get him? I don't get it.

Again, one play doesn't make a game and it doesn't make a season and it doesn't make a career. I just use this play because it seems IMO to be occurring more than it should AND it's a play that reveals effort.