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full rebuild cuz y not

Created by: Ryancnbb
Initial Creation Date: Mar 3, 2021
Published: Mar 3 at 6:49
Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Team Explanation
flip smith, Compher, eakin, Girgensons, fleury for futures on last years of contracts. maybe buy out skinner at some point?
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Brisson, Brendan3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Asplund, Rasmus2$900,000
Borgen, William2$900,000
Dahlin, Rasmus3$4,500,000
Jokiharju, Henri2$3,000,000
Mittelstadt, Casey2$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ullmark, Linus3$3,250,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
defensemen, veteran1$2,000,000
depth, defense1$1,000,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Smith, Reilly
  2. Krebs, Peyton
  3. Fleury, Marc-André
  4. Brisson, Brendan [Reserve List]
  5. 2021 1st round pick (VGK)
  6. 2022 1st round pick (VGK)
Additional Details:
What would you change about this trade?
VGK
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Ruotsalainen, Arttu
Additional Details:
2021 offseason
BUF
  1. Compher, J.T.
  2. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
COL
    hall half retained at deadline
    BUF
    1. 2021 3rd round pick (BOS)
    BOS
      Mcnabb at deadline
      BUF
      1. Dellandrea, Ty
      2. Gurianov, Denis
      DAL
      1. Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
      BUF
      1. 2021 2nd round pick (PHI)
      2. 2022 3rd round pick (PHI)
      PHI
      1. Ristolainen, Rasmus ($2,500,000 retained)
      BUF
      1. 2021 4th round pick (TBL)
      2. 2021 6th round pick (TBL)
      TBL
        Montour retained deadline
        BUF
        1. Niku, Sami
        WPG
        1. Miller, Colin
        BUF
        1. 2022 4th round pick (VGK)
        DET
        1. Thompson, Tage
        BUF
        1. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
        TOR
          Staal retained at deadline
          Buyouts
          • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
          • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
          Retained Salary Transactions
          • Rasmus Ristolainen: $2,500,000 (46.3%)
          DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
          2021
          BUF
          VGK
          COL
          BUF
          PHI
          TOR
          BOS
          BUF
          TBL
          BUF
          TBL
          BUF
          2022
          BUF
          VGK
          BUF
          BUF
          PHI
          BUF
          VGK
          BUF
          BUF
          2023
          BUF
          BUF
          BUF
          BUF
          BUF
          BUF
          BUF
          ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
          25$81,500,000$67,745,833$0$2,650,000$13,754,167
          Left WingCenterRight Wing
          BUF
          Skinner, Jeff
          $9,000,000
          LW, RW
          NMC
          UFA - 6
          BUF
          Mittelstadt, Casey
          $1,500,000
          C
          RFA
          DAL
          Gurianov, Denis
          $2,550,000
          RW, LW
          RFA - 1
          BUF
          Olofsson, Victor
          $3,050,000
          LW, RW
          RFA - 1
          BUF
          Cozens, Dylan
          $894,167
          C, LW
          RFA - 2
          VGK
          Smith, Reilly
          $5,000,000
          RW, LW
          UFA - 1
          BUF
          Girgensons, Zemgus
          $2,200,000
          C, LW
          UFA - 2
          DAL
          Dellandrea, Ty
          $863,333
          C, RW
          RFA - 2
          COL
          Compher, J.T.
          $3,500,000
          RW, C
          UFA - 2
          BUF
          Asplund, Rasmus
          $900,000
          C, LW
          RFA - 2
          BUF
          Lazar, Curtis
          $800,000
          C, RW
          UFA - 1
          BUF
          Okposo, Kyle
          $6,000,000
          RW
          NTC
          UFA - 2
          BUF
          Eakin, Cody
          $2,250,000
          C
          UFA - 1
          Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
          BUF
          Dahlin, Rasmus
          $4,500,000
          LD
          RFA
          BUF
          Jokiharju, Henri
          $3,000,000
          RD
          RFA
          VGK
          Fleury, Marc-André
          $7,000,000
          G
          NTC
          UFA - 1
          BUF
          Borgen, William
          $900,000
          RD
          RFA
          WPG
          Niku, Sami
          $725,000
          RD
          RFA - 1
          BUF
          Ullmark, Linus
          $3,250,000
          G
          NMC
          UFA - 4
          BUF
          Bryson, Jacob
          $889,166
          LD
          RFA - 1
          defensemen, veteran
          $2,000,000
          depth, defense
          $1,000,000
          ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
          VGK
          Krebs, Peyton
          $863,333
          C, LW
          RFA - 3
          BUF
          Quinn, Jack
          $894,167
          RW
          RFA - 3
          Brisson, Brendan
          $925,000
          C, LW, RW
          RFA
          Taxi Squad
          BUF
          Tokarski, Dustin
          $725,000 ($0)
          G
          UFA - 1

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          Mar 3 at 6:54
          #1
          Vegan Commie Hipster
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          Fleury is still a cap jettison though

          Overlooked is that Vegas has been fantastic defensively so far and yes MAF has played well but his true talent rn is still about average (.905 last year)

          Context ftw ✔
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          Mar 3 at 6:55
          #2
          Vegan Commie Hipster
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          Pacioretty Eichel Stone

          o m g

          😳

          Wait I mean

          awesome face
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          Mar 3 at 7:01
          #3
          First NY Then LA
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          I can't see Colorado spending a first on a rental Hall. Their top 6 is pretty good.
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          Mar 3 at 7:01
          #4
          VGKNation702
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          Trade Brisson out. That’s theoretically 5 firsts with Krebs, him and Smith (I value him that easily)

          I’d also rather trade Lehner, can’t see VGK letting the original face of the franchise go anywhere after the way he’s played this year
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          Mar 3 at 7:17
          #5
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          You can keep Hall, let him rot in Buffalo after pulling his BS stunt last offseason

          He had his chance to play for contenders after saying all he wants is to win but then picks a team foe the most money in an effort to pad his stats to try to make more the next offseason

          Sucks to suck hall
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          Mar 3 at 7:40
          #6
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          Quoting: VGKNation702
          Trade Brisson out. That’s theoretically 5 firsts with Krebs, him and Smith (I value him that easily)

          I’d also rather trade Lehner, can’t see VGK letting the original face of the franchise go anywhere after the way he’s played this year


          then they have no starter. could take out one piece tho (brisson)
          Mar 3 at 7:45
          #7
          Vegan Commie Hipster
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          Quoting: OldNYIfan
          I can't see Colorado spending a first on a rental Hall. Their top 6 is pretty good.


          Yeah and also seemed like they got their deadline deal out of the way early with Saad effectively, as well they're due to ascend after an early PDO lull in ways
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          Mar 3 at 7:48
          #8
          Vegan Commie Hipster
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          Edited Mar 3 at 7:54
          Quoting: VGKNation702
          Trade Brisson out. That’s theoretically 5 firsts with Krebs, him and Smith (I value him that easily)

          I’d also rather trade Lehner, can’t see VGK letting the original face of the franchise go anywhere after the way he’s played this year


          That's really misguided to let Fleury's conceptual value (so to speak) get in the way of their precious cup window if they can replace him with JBernier etc.

          I posted up above about how he's overrated rn

          Franchises need to move beyond this stuff asap

          Edit*

          Patrick Marleau in TO all over again
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          Mar 3 at 7:50
          #9
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          Eichel, Reinhart, risto trades make no sense
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          Mar 3 at 7:51
          #10
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          Quoting: coga16
          You can keep Hall, let him rot in Buffalo after pulling his BS stunt last offseason

          He had his chance to play for contenders after saying all he wants is to win but then picks a team foe the most money in an effort to pad his stats to try to make more the next offseason

          Sucks to suck hall


          Harsh but fair

          One of the silliest things I've ever seen honestly

          When he could have padded his stats beside the likes of MacKinnon, Panarin, etc. while contending too
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          Mar 3 at 7:54
          #11
          Vegan Commie Hipster
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          Quoting: Sabres_Insider
          Eichel, Reinhart, risto trades make no sense


          "Aside from that Mrs. Lincoln; how was the show?"
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          Mar 3 at 8:00
          #12
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          Quoting: Radu47
          Harsh but fair

          One of the silliest things I've ever seen honestly

          When he could have padded his stats beside the likes of MacKinnon, Panarin, etc. while contending too


          It is harsh but this is the bed he made now he has to lie in it, the guy wants to be paid like a top guy but every team he has gone to, he doesn’t do anything to put them over the top and they all fail,

          Time to realize he needs to be the 3rd or 4th fiddle on a team and accept a secondary role bc he’s not winning trying to be one of a teams top guys and high paid player
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          Mar 3 at 8:07
          #13
          AslanRH
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          Quoting: coga16
          You can keep Hall, let him rot in Buffalo after pulling his BS stunt last offseason

          He had his chance to play for contenders after saying all he wants is to win but then picks a team foe the most money in an effort to pad his stats to try to make more the next offseason

          Sucks to suck hall


          I agree, but a $4m Hall for 1 playoff run and jettisoning the rest of Compher's term almost makes me like losing the 1st smile
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          Mar 3 at 8:28
          #14
          Jinx lord
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          Big no from Dallas, Gurianov is untouchable.
          Mar 3 at 8:30
          #15
          VGKNation702
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          Quoting: Radu47
          That's really misguided to let Fleury's conceptual value (so to speak) get in the way of their precious cup window if they can replace him with JBernier etc.

          I posted up above about how he's overrated rn

          Franchises need to move beyond this stuff asap

          Edit*

          Patrick Marleau in TO all over again


          We are the team that paid Reaves more money than Ny to get him to come back lol
          Mar 3 at 8:31
          #16
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          For the Stars I'd do that if you change Gurianov to Hintz.
          Mar 3 at 8:36
          #17
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          Quoting: AslanRH
          I agree, but a $4m Hall for 1 playoff run and jettisoning the rest of Compher's term almost makes me like losing the 1st smile


          Nah you can move on from compher if they want to without giving up a 1st

          Hall is one of the last guys I would want the avs to target as a rental
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          Mar 3 at 9:31
          #18
          AslanRH
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          Quoting: coga16
          Nah you can move on from compher if they want to without giving up a 1st

          Hall is one of the last guys I would want the avs to target as a rental


          True, and I was speaking in jest.
          but my many years of disliking Compher have taken their toll.
          Mar 3 at 10:49
          #19
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          Quoting: WallStreet83
          For the Stars I'd do that if you change Gurianov to Hintz.


          I think Hintz Is better
          Mar 4 at 2:02
          #20
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          I don’t love Vegas as a spot for Eichel
          Fleury & Smith are good players, but neither fit the timeline for another rebuild that we’ll be doing if we move Jack

          Kings & Rangers seem like 2 teams with LOTS of young talent that would want him
          Vegas just doesn’t have the pieces they do
          Mar 4 at 8:42
          #21
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          Quoting: Jdfitz77
          I don’t love Vegas as a spot for Eichel
          Fleury & Smith are good players, but neither fit the timeline for another rebuild that we’ll be doing if we move Jack

          Kings & Rangers seem like 2 teams with LOTS of young talent that would want him
          Vegas just doesn’t have the pieces they do


          vegas has the pieces but they would need to add Fleury or fleury and smith/marchessault/tuch to make cap work

          Fleury and smith aren't even bad and can be flipped fore more futures if they want anyways
          Mar 4 at 9:42
          #22
          My Balls Itch
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          no way dallas does that.
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          Mar 4 at 4:28
          #23
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          Quoting: Ryancnbb
          vegas has the pieces but they would need to add Fleury or fleury and smith/marchessault/tuch to make cap work

          Fleury and smith aren't even bad and can be flipped fore more futures if they want anyways


          Taking back Cap is no biggie
          But u can’t really count that as an asset for Eichel if that’s the case then
          Mar 4 at 5:36
          #24
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          Quoting: Jdfitz77
          Taking back Cap is no biggie
          But u can’t really count that as an asset for Eichel if that’s the case then


          im counting it a bit as an asset since goaltending Is weak for them and a good winger doesn't hurt
          Mar 4 at 5:43
          #25
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          Quoting: Ryancnbb
          im counting it a bit as an asset since goaltending Is weak for them and a good winger doesn't hurt


          Maybe it counts a little,
          but neither of those players would be a factor in beating out other offers
          Again, we’d be starting a rebuild again
          So 1 year of Fleury just doesn’t mean anything
          Same with Smith
          The only value they’d have to us is what we could turn around & trade them for- which is an unknown
           
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