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Created by: Caniac2000
Team: 2020-21 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 4, 2021
Published: Mar. 4, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
CAR
  1. Mete, Victor
  2. 2021 4th round pick (STL)
  3. 2021 5th round pick (PHI)
2.
CAR
  1. 2021 6th round pick (VAN)
3.
CAR
  1. 2022 4th round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Reimer, James ($1,700,000 retained)
4.
NSH
  1. Foegele, Warren
  2. 2021 1st round pick (CAR)
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (CAR)
  4. 2021 6th round pick (VAN)
  5. 2022 2nd round pick (CAR)
  6. 2022 4th round pick (COL)
5.
CAR
  1. 2021 4th round pick (FLA)
6.
CAR
  1. 2021 6th round pick (BOS)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$79,149,822$1,367,073$3,687,500$2,350,178
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$8,460,250$8,460,250
C
UFA - 4
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RW
RFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$3,125,000$3,125,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,050,000$4,050,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,025,000$4,025,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$737,500$737,500
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LD
UFA - 4
Taxi Squad
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$763,333$763,333 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
C, RW
RFA - 1
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$725,000$725,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
UFA - 1
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$809,166$809,166 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RW
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD
UFA - 1

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Mar. 4, 2021 at 6:36 a.m.
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Nashville probably declines this. It’s a lot of draft capital but no prospects at all
Mar. 4, 2021 at 6:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Jwilliams2k12
Nashville probably declines this. It’s a lot of draft capital but no prospects at all


There's nothing in the package worth prospects. Arvidsson is good, is he worth a 1st plus? Probably not. 2nd and a 3rd for Granlund as a rental is about right, and Jarnkrok for Foegele and the later round picks is about fair too. Why would Carolina find any reason to part with prospects when this package isn't worth it?
Mar. 4, 2021 at 6:48 a.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
There's nothing in the package worth prospects. Arvidsson is good, is he worth a 1st plus? Probably not. 2nd and a 3rd for Granlund as a rental is about right, and Jarnkrok for Foegele and the later round picks is about fair too. Why would Carolina find any reason to part with prospects when this package isn't worth it?


I’m not saying add prospects to the offer. I’m saying instead of a pick or 2 throw in a prospect.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 8:26 a.m.
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I think these are all pretty solid from CAR point of view. I'd argue that MTL should send a little more too.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 9:19 a.m.
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If I'm Joe, I'd definitely consider that
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Mar. 4, 2021 at 10:44 a.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
There's nothing in the package worth prospects. Arvidsson is good, is he worth a 1st plus? Probably not. 2nd and a 3rd for Granlund as a rental is about right, and Jarnkrok for Foegele and the later round picks is about fair too. Why would Carolina find any reason to part with prospects when this package isn't worth it?


If you don't feel Arvidsson is worth a 1st+ with that contract, take him out of the proposal. His value to NSH is more than that. 5ths and 6ths are meaningless picks. Save those for when you're making offers for Richardson and Sbisa. NSH declines.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 2:52 p.m.
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If you don't feel Arvidsson is worth a 1st+ with that contract, take him out of the proposal. His value to NSH is more than that. 5ths and 6ths are meaningless picks. Save those for when you're making offers for Richardson and Sbisa. NSH declines.


Arvidsson has a combined 36 points in his last 70 games. Great numbers for a middle 6 winger. They do not command 1sts. It's no different in Nashville.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 3:44 p.m.
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Arvidsson has a combined 36 points in his last 70 games. Great numbers for a middle 6 winger. They do not command 1sts. It's no different in Nashville.


That's a weird and arbitrary place to cherry pick, when trying to assess Arvidsson's value. Start counting from when he came back last season while still injured? If you feel CAR shouldn't spend much on a guy like him, given what the Canes already have for offense, that's fine. His value to NSH is still greater than the pile of low end bits and pieces coming back here though, so they wouldn't be interested in trading him for this kind of return. It's not like he's requested a trade, or is a UFA they're in danger of losing for nothing.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 3:46 p.m.
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So a Fleury is already in the Habs org so they trade for the other Fleury for no reason and help out the Canes in expansion and lose Fleury in expansion!

This is so Nintendo its hilarious!
Mar. 4, 2021 at 3:46 p.m.
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That's a weird and arbitrary place to cherry pick, when trying to assess Arvidsson's value. Start counting from when he came back last season while still injured? If you feel CAR shouldn't spend much on a guy like him, given what the Canes already have for offense, that's fine. His value to NSH is still greater than the pile of low end bits and pieces coming back here though, so they wouldn't be interested in trading him for this kind of return. It's not like he's requested a trade, or is a UFA they're in danger of losing for nothing.


He's 29, starting to decline and already suffers with injuries. His value is diminishing, why continue to wait when you can get a 1st for him which is far more than a "low end bit" as you claim
Mar. 4, 2021 at 3:47 p.m.
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So a Fleury is already in the Habs org so they trade for the other Fleury for no reason and help out the Canes in expansion and lose Fleury in expansion!

This is so Nintendo its hilarious!


Canes are losing bean in expansion, either way. It makes no difference if Fleury is here or not.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 3:48 p.m.
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I think these are all pretty solid from CAR point of view. I'd argue that MTL should send a little more too.


Expansion exists they'll lose whomever is traded to them
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Canes are losing bean in expansion, either way. It makes no difference if Fleury is here or not.


My argument is that the Habs gain nothing from this trade! They rather have Chiarot or Edmundson taken in expansion! Unless they do the unthinkable and dont ask Price to waive and lose Allen
Mar. 4, 2021 at 3:49 p.m.
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He's 29, starting to decline and already suffers with injuries. His value is diminishing, why continue to wait when you can get a 1st for him which is far more than a "low end bit" as you claim


He's 27, and actually watching him play disproves the decline you claim has started.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 3:51 p.m.
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My argument is that the Habs gain nothing from this trade! They rather have Chiarot or Edmundson taken in expansion! Unless they do the unthinkable and dont ask Price to waive and lose Allen


Why wouldn't they protect Weber, Petry and Fleury, and still expose Chiarot and Edmundson...?
Mar. 4, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
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He's 27, and actually watching him play disproves the decline you claim has started.


Ah yes, the old "watch the games" argument.

Let's have a statistical fight here, shall we?

Start with base stats, his production is dropping. That is undeniable.
His injuries are racking up
He will be 28 by the TDL, and he's not exactly playing well right now, being in the bottom six for xGF% on the predators.

I'm gonna leave it there before I go nuts. He's declining.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 3:55 p.m.
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Why wouldn't they protect Weber, Petry and Fleury, and still expose Chiarot and Edmundson...?


Cale Fleury has 0 chance of being protected or taken

Petry, Weber, Edmundson will be protected. Which is a shame because Chiarot is a decent 3rd pair guy. The only thing that makes sense to me right now with the line-ups is that Chiarot is being showcased to Seattle (Yes i know) Chiarot has no business on the top pair. He was only effective with Big buff, he's dragging Weber down rn
Mar. 4, 2021 at 4:00 p.m.
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Cale Fleury has 0 chance of being protected or taken

Petry, Weber, Edmundson will be protected. Which is a shame because Chiarot is a decent 3rd pair guy. The only thing that makes sense to me right now with the line-ups is that Chiarot is being showcased to Seattle (Yes i know) Chiarot has no business on the top pair. He was only effective with Big buff, he's dragging Weber down rn


Not protect Cale, protect Haydn.

Edmundson is a 3rd pairing D man who is worse than Haydn, I've watched that movie myself. Haydn is an upgrade, and it doesn't cost Montreal anything in expansion
Mar. 4, 2021 at 4:01 p.m.
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Not protect Cale, protect Haydn.

Edmundson is a 3rd pairing D man who is worse than Haydn, I've watched that movie myself. Haydn is an upgrade, and it doesn't cost Montreal anything in expansion


Capfriendly value isnt what Gms value. I was uber skeptical of Edmundson as well and he wasn't good with Pesce last season. Much like Chiarot is a disaster with Weber. They love Edmundson and he leads the league in plus/minus. These Gms don't value analytics as gospel and Edmundson has actually been really really good fit with Petry. He passes the eye test as the stay at home type and he has a great first pass. No team especially a contending team is gonna go full on with youth
Mar. 4, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.
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Capfriendly value isnt Gms value. They love Edmundson and he leads the league in plus/minus. These Gms don't value analytics as gospel and Edmundson has actually been really really good fit with Petry. He passes the eye test as the stay at home type and he has a great first pass


There are teams that do value analytics as gospel, Carolina being one of them and Toronto being another. On top of that, Haydn is far younger, able to play both sides, and already has a brother in the organization.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 4:07 p.m.
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There are teams that do value analytics as gospel, Carolina being one of them and Toronto being another. On top of that, Haydn is far younger, able to play both sides, and already has a brother in the organization.


of course but again. this is Montreal were talking of. They just traded for Edmundson he's plus18 this season and looked GREAT. Hes signed on a cheap deal. He will be protected. That is just reading the tea leaves.
Im telling you as someone that follows Montreal!
Mar. 4, 2021 at 4:08 p.m.
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Montreal simply has too many guys like Hayden Fleury including his brother! I dont think players and orgs like having brothers in the same org as it can lead to bias and bad work habits. Thats my feelings
Mar. 4, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
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of course but again. this is Montreal were talking of. They just traded for Edmundson he's plus18 this season and looked GREAT. Hes signed on a cheap deal. He will be protected. That is just reading the tea leaves.
Im telling you as someone that follows Montreal!


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Montreal simply has too many guys like Hayden Fleury including his brother!


Okay, let's ignore Edmundson because he is a Hab and he's not even coming back in this deal.

Fleury is an improvement on Kulak, and provides depth to the Montreal blueline. Haydn Fleury would almost instantly become a top 4 D man in Montreal. He's younger than a lot of the alternatives and would be acquired for a worse D man and some late picks.

This works for Carolina because they free up cap to spend at the deadline, like they did in the Dzingel for Galchenuyk/Galchenyuk for Korshkov deals.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 4:15 p.m.
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Okay, let's ignore Edmundson because he is a Hab and he's not even coming back in this deal.

Fleury is an improvement on Kulak, and provides depth to the Montreal blueline. Haydn Fleury would almost instantly become a top 4 D man in Montreal. He's younger than a lot of the alternatives and would be acquired for a worse D man and some late picks.

This works for Carolina because they free up cap to spend at the deadline, like they did in the Dzingel for Galchenuyk/Galchenyuk for Korshkov deals.


I like Hayden Fleury but there is just no hint that montreal will ever do this! Maybe they'd grab a puck mover for one year. Hayden just isnt that guy, they would want someone established

Its the same problem with Ekholm. You trade for Ekholm if you're Philly but you'll lose him in expansion
Mar. 4, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
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Hayden's value is as a long term asset. You're much better off unloading him to a team like Edmonton as Caleb Jones has been a disaster. They can protect Hayden. Montreal wont do it!
 
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