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Kreider for Hischier

Created by: AFox23
Team: 2020-21 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 4, 2021
Published: Mar. 4, 2021
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Description
The previous option was Kravtsov and Reunanen for Jack Hughes.
Trades
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  1. Hischier, Nico
Additional Details:
Devils need wingers and Rangers need a centre. Similar salary and similar value. But to make up for age I added a pick in year 2022 from the Rangers.
NJD
  1. Kreider, Chris
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)
Buyouts
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2021
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2022
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2023
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22$81,500,000$76,970,633$0$7,212,500$4,529,367
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$11,642,857$11,642,857
LW
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UFA - 6
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
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UFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RW, C
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
RW
RFA - 2
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$1,550,000$1,550,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$350,000$350K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
UFA - 1
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C
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LW
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C, RW
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C
UFA - 7
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,350,000$4,350,000
LD/RD, LW
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UFA - 1
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RD
UFA - 2
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$2,425,000$2,425,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
G
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
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RFA - 1
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RD
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
G
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LD
RFA - 3
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$833,333$833,333 ($0$0$0$0)
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UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C
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Mar. 4, 2021 at 10:58 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRFan92360244
How much potential is left? Most top centres are what they are by age 22.


That's just not true man. Some do for sure, but you're getting Nico in his prime years while the Devils grow together as a team. Kreider will be paid 6.5 till he's 35, which are post prime years.
Zibanejad didnt hit 70 points until he was 25, he had 47 in when he was 22
Scheifle had 61 points at 22 and has been more than a point per game player since.
Nico has a ceiling, where as Kreider is on the back 9. Plus C's are more more valuable
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Mar. 4, 2021 at 10:59 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRFan92360244
Same contracts, same point production, only difference is age and position. And I made up for age by adding a draft pick. Also, if Hischier was worth more, they would have paid him more. It is not some accident that these two players make the same salary after having three similar seasons.


age and position are the two biggest factors
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:01 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRFan92360244
I get that. He is their captain, their favorite player, their former first pick overall. But otherwise the trade is good for both sides. Hischier could play 2c with Laf and Kakko for next six years. Kreider gives the Devils a big fast winger to go along with all their little players like Bratt and Hughes.


I see want you're saying but the NHL is the league that values age the most, I want a dude who hasn't shown his full potential other than a dude who is at his exact potential.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:05 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRFan92360244
Same contracts, same point production, only difference is age and position. And I made up for age by adding a draft pick. Also, if Hischier was worth more, they would have paid him more. It is not some accident that these two players make the same salary after having three similar seasons.


The Devils' are paying for what NH will give them in the future not based on what he did in his first 3 years as teen-ager.
NH was not a UFA or potential & didn't have any leverage to extract a deal larger than what NJ was offering.
There isn't a universe where NH & CK have the same value to a team & im a NYR fan.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:07 a.m.
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Does NJ get to trade Johnsson for Kakko next?
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRFan92360244
Devils need a winger and Rangers need a centre. Contracts are similar both about $7 million through 2026-27. Over last three seasons Kreider has had 134 points and Hischier has had 135 points. Since there is an age difference, I added a draft pick.


Nico was also the first overall pick and has the potential to a Bergeron type player. Not to mention, the age difference is HUGE
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:13 a.m.
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Idk what the hell Quinn is gonna do He SHOULD be captain but he's just an A who deserves cap.


DQ IS GOING TO MAKE ADA THE CAPTAIN
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Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:14 a.m.
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Quoting: Devil1122
DQ IS GOING TO MAKE ADA THE CAPTAIN


insert *WHAT NO, DUDEEEEEEEEEEEE*
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Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:14 a.m.
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Never change, Ranger fans
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:19 a.m.
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Replace Kreider with Laffy and NJ might do it... as is, there is no chance they do it. Hischer has way way higher potential.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:26 a.m.
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Quoting: masterjuddi
That's just not true man. Some do for sure, but you're getting Nico in his prime years while the Devils grow together as a team. Kreider will be paid 6.5 till he's 35, which are post prime years.
Zibanejad didnt hit 70 points until he was 25, he had 47 in when he was 22
Scheifle had 61 points at 22 and has been more than a point per game player since.
Nico has a ceiling, where as Kreider is on the back 9. Plus C's are more more valuable


Zibanejad was playing on a bad team then. We have seen what he does with good team. And Kreider is 29 years old and is in top-10 in goals per game. He has many years left as a top producing winger.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.
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Quoting: Caerii
Does NJ get to trade Johnsson for Kakko next?


Why would the Rangers ever consider that? Kakko is 20 years old and one of the best prospects in all of hockey.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:29 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRFan92360244
Why would the Rangers ever consider that? Kakko is 20 years old and one of the best prospects in all of hockey.


They'd consider it for the same reasons the Devils would consider Hischier for Kreider.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Replace Kreider with Laffy and NJ might do it... as is, there is no chance they do it. Hischer has way way higher potential.


I understand what you're going for here but Lafreniere is generational talent. It would start at Hischier and Hughes and go up from there.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:34 a.m.
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They'd consider it for the same reasons the Devils would consider Hischier for Kreider.


Positional need? Rangers need a centre. Devils need a winger. So that deal makes perfect sense. Johnsson plays LW where the Rangers are strong. Kakko plays RW.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:35 a.m.
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Nico was also the first overall pick and has the potential to a Bergeron type player. Not to mention, the age difference is HUGE


Not in that lineup. Maybe if he were along side Lafreniere and Kakko though.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:41 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRFan92360244
Positional need? Rangers need a centre. Devils need a winger. So that deal makes perfect sense. Johnsson plays LW where the Rangers are strong. Kakko plays RW.


No, the correct answer was "no reason". There is no reason the Devils consider Hischier for Kreider, there is no reason the Rangers consider Kakko for Johnsson.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:45 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRFan92360244
I understand what you're going for here but Lafreniere is generational talent. It would start at Hischier and Hughes and go up from there.


I'm not saying that the rangers would do such a deal, but now you're telling me that Laffy would fetch Hughes AND Hischier? Dude come on. Laffy isn't that good. If I'm the devils, I don't even do Hughes alone for Laffy. Hughes is less than a year older and has been way, way better at the nhl level.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 11:58 a.m.
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I'm not saying that the rangers would do such a deal, but now you're telling me that Laffy would fetch Hughes AND Hischier? Dude come on. Laffy isn't that good. If I'm the devils, I don't even do Hughes alone for Laffy. Hughes is less than a year older and has been way, way better at the nhl level.


People keep saying that because they want their all-american golden boy. But Hughes has not looked that good. He is too small and gets pushed around. He should have played two years in junior before jumping to NHL. Lafreniere has proven he can play in mans league.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
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People keep saying that because they want their all-american golden boy. But Hughes has not looked that good. He is too small and gets pushed around. He should have played two years in junior before jumping to NHL. Lafreniere has proven he can play in mans league.


I could care less about either of these teams. But let's just look.
Hughes: 21 points in 61 games. This year, 12 points in 18 games.
Laffy has 5 points in 20 games.

It's early, yes, and comparing them so far is hard. But saying Laffy has "proved" he can play in the nhl is just false. Neither have proved anything. Hughes is without question better right now. However, Laffy hasn't played as much. My point is these 2 are certainly comparable. You can't say one is way better than the other, because you'd be wrong.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 12:11 p.m.
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I could care less about either of these teams. But let's just look.
Hughes: 21 points in 61 games. This year, 12 points in 18 games.
Laffy has 5 points in 20 games.

It's early, yes, and comparing them so far is hard. But saying Laffy has "proved" he can play in the nhl is just false. Neither have proved anything. Hughes is without question better right now. However, Laffy hasn't played as much. My point is these 2 are certainly comparable. You can't say one is way better than the other, because you'd be wrong.


How can you say I am wrong if nothing has been proven?
And Laf has been great this year.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 12:12 p.m.
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How can you say I am wrong if nothing has been proven?
And Laf has been great this year.


Because you say he's way better. He's not.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 12:16 p.m.
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People keep saying that because they want their all-american golden boy. But Hughes has not looked that good. He is too small and gets pushed around. He should have played two years in junior before jumping to NHL. Lafreniere has proven he can play in mans league.


You clearly either A. Don't watch Devils games, B. Don't watch Rangers games or C. This is a troll post and you're milking it for all it's worth. I hope the answer is C.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.
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Because you say he's way better. He's not.


Your opinion. I watch the games and it is as clear as day. Lafreniere is a stud in the making. And Hughes is struggling to stay on his skates.
Mar. 4, 2021 at 12:18 p.m.
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That's just not true man. Some do for sure, but you're getting Nico in his prime years while the Devils grow together as a team. Kreider will be paid 6.5 till he's 35, which are post prime years.
Zibanejad didnt hit 70 points until he was 25, he had 47 in when he was 22
Scheifle had 61 points at 22 and has been more than a point per game player since.
Nico has a ceiling, where as Kreider is on the back 9. Plus C's are more more valuable


Mackinnon is another great example. Went from 52 points to 97 points age 22-23 seasons.
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