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Pens trade Kings

Created by: LetsGoPens69
Initial Creation Date: Mar 4, 2021
Published: Mar 4 at 6:27
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Trades
PIT
  1. Vilardi, Gabriel
  2. MacDermid, Kurtis
  3. Quick, Jonathan ($1,300,000 retained)
LAK
  1. Poulin, Samuel
  2. Pettersson, Marcus
  3. DeSmith, Casey
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (PIT)
Buyouts
  • Jack Johnson: $1,166,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
PIT
PIT
WSH
ANA
2022
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2023
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$73,614,167$0$1,912,500$7,885,833
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
PIT
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
PIT
Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
PIT
McCann, Jared
$2,940,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
LAK
Vilardi, Gabriel
$894,167
C
RFA - 2
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
PIT
Jankowski, Mark
$700,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
PIT
Lafferty, Sam
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
Jarry, Tristan
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 3
PIT
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
$863,333
LD
RFA - 2
PIT
Marino, John
$925,000
RD
UFA - 1
LAK
Quick, Jonathan
$4,500,000
G
UFA - 3
PIT
Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
UFA - 6
LAK
MacDermid, Kurtis
$875,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PIT
Ruhwedel, Chad
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
PIT
Zucker, Jason
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Ceci, Cody
$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 2
PIT
Rodrigues, Evan
$700,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
PIT
Larmi, Emil
$792,500 ($0)
G
RFA - 1
PIT
Angello, Anthony
$725,000 ($0)
C, RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Sceviour, Colton
$1,200,000 ($125,000)
RW
UFA - 1
PIT
O'Connor, Drew
$925,000 ($0)
LW
RFA - 2
PIT
Friedman, Mark
$725,000 ($0)
RD
RFA - 2
PIT
Czuczman, Kevin
$700,000 ($0)
LD
UFA - 1

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Mar 4 at 6:37
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Kings decline for a couple of reasons.

- Vilardi is the Kings best-graduated prospect, they won't sell him until it's clear Byfield and Turcotte have taken his role and he doesn't fit on the wing. Poulin could be great, but Vilardi is actively looking great in the NHL.
- The Kings aren't in a rush to lose Quick, he still looks competitive enough for the next year or so and at least better than DeSmith.
- Obtaining Pettersson is guaranteeing losing Walker, unless you protect 4 which means you lose Clague.

Kings will visit trading with the Penguins after the Seattle draft.
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Mar 4 at 7:02
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Quoting: tryger
Kings decline for a couple of reasons.

- Vilardi is the Kings best-graduated prospect, they won't sell him until it's clear Byfield and Turcotte have taken his role and he doesn't fit on the wing. Poulin could be great, but Vilardi is actively looking great in the NHL.
- The Kings aren't in a rush to lose Quick, he still looks competitive enough for the next year or so and at least better than DeSmith.
- Obtaining Pettersson is guaranteeing losing Walker, unless you protect 4 which means you lose Clague.

Kings will visit trading with the Penguins after the Seattle draft.


Walker > Petterson IMO. They are roughly equal in skill, but Walker plays the more highly desired position.

I don't think there's room for Petterson on the Kings. He's not better than Bjornfot or Anderson. If the Kings are going to trade for a LHD, he needs to be able to play on the top pair.
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Mar 4 at 7:12
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Walker > Petterson IMO. They are roughly equal in skill, but Walker plays the more highly desired position.

I don't think there's room for Petterson on the Kings. He's not better than Bjornfot or Anderson. If the Kings are going to trade for a LHD, he needs to be able to play on the top pair.


I agree, honestly, the only edge for Petterson over Walker is that he is LD and protecting 3 RD might be something you have to look hard at if you traded for and gave up assets for an LD, but yes, Walker is cheaper and I'm not sure he has even reached his ceiling. I really don't think the Kings make any trades, I believe it was your comments that may have convinced me the Kings may protect 4 dmen.
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Mar 4 at 7:57
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If we're trading Vilardi, it's for Marino plus.
Mar 5 at 7:48
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Quoting: tryger
Kings decline for a couple of reasons.

- Vilardi is the Kings best-graduated prospect, they won't sell him until it's clear Byfield and Turcotte have taken his role and he doesn't fit on the wing. Poulin could be great, but Vilardi is actively looking great in the NHL.
- The Kings aren't in a rush to lose Quick, he still looks competitive enough for the next year or so and at least better than DeSmith.
- Obtaining Pettersson is guaranteeing losing Walker, unless you protect 4 which means you lose Clague.

Kings will visit trading with the Penguins after the Seattle draft.


DeSmith always has good SV% and GAA(Goals Against average) and is a proven a legit NHL back-up or a split time NHL 1A/1B goalie.

The price for Quick isn’t enough of an upgrade in his play over DeSmith anymore.

With C.Peterson and C.DeSmith, the Kings have a good, capable goalie combo, that doesn’t cost them barely anything against the cap.

It gives them a good situation at goalie. Which ever goalie out preforms the other, over the next two years, The Kings can resign and keep as their starter and mentor towards a goalie prospect( Both C.Peterson and C.DeSmith are UFA after 2022).
Mar 5 at 8:01
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Edited Mar 5 at 8:07
Quoting: tkecanuck341
Walker > Petterson IMO. They are roughly equal in skill, but Walker plays the more highly desired position.

I don't think there's room for Petterson on the Kings. He's not better than Bjornfot or Anderson. If the Kings are going to trade for a LHD, he needs to be able to play on the top pair.


Petterson plays 20 plus minutes a night and is a proven top 4 LHD.

I understand a lot of West coast teams fans don’t watch or know east cost teams players. And Vica Versa.

But Pettersson is a good top 4 LHD, 24 years old. Signed this off-season to a long term, reasonable deal. He still has a lot of potential.

Has a Long reach, tough defensively and moves the puck well offensively. And still a lot of potential there.

Neither M.Anderson or Bjorkoot are as proven as Pettersson. It why Pettersson got the contract extension this off-season. Proven top 4 LHD on a play-off team.

With PO Joseph and Matheson playing well. Either Dumoulin or Pettersson is kind of expendable on the Pens D, in my opinion.

If the Pens traded Dumoulin(who is only 29 years old and I wouldn’t be mad if the Pens made this trade and it was Dumoulin instead of Pettersson), Pettersson would be the Pens top pairing LHD.

It would be Pettersson/Letang, PO Joseph/Marino, Matheson/Ruhwedel, Ceci.
Mar 5 at 8:32
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Quoting: LetsGoPens69
Petterson plays 20 plus minutes a night and is a proven top 4 LHD.

I understand a lot of West coast teams fans don’t watch or know east cost teams players. And Vica Versa.

But Pettersson is a good top 4 LHD, 24 years old. Signed this off-season to a long term, reasonable deal. He still has a lot of potential.

Has a Long reach, tough defensively and moves the puck well offensively. And still a lot of potential there.

Neither M.Anderson or Bjorkoot are as proven as Pettersson. It why Pettersson got the contract extension this off-season. Proven top 4 LHD on a play-off team.

With PO Joseph and Matheson playing well. Either Dumoulin or Pettersson is kind of expendable on the Pens D, in my opinion.

If the Pens traded Dumoulin(who is only 29 years old and I wouldn’t be mad if the Pens made this trade and it was Dumoulin instead of Pettersson), Pettersson would be the Pens top pairing LHD.

It would be Pettersson/Letang, PO Joseph/Marino, Matheson/Ruhwedel, Ceci.


I didn't say Bjornfot or Anderson were better than Pettersson, just that Pettersson is not better than Bjornfot or Anderson. Both of those guys are young and expected to be big parts of the future in LA. I project that Bjornfot will be the next player to wear the "C" after Kopitar retires. Both have stepped up and performed exceptionally well thus far, and are 19 and 21 respectively, so they'll only be getting better. It's unclear whether either will step up to be a bonafide first-pair defenseman on a contender, but the 2D and 3D positions are covered between those two guys.

If Pettersson were on waivers and the Kings could pick him up for free, then I would say that maybe the Kings could give him he would be a good redundancy to have. However, he's not worth spending any assets to pick up.
Mar 5 at 8:37
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Quoting: LetsGoPens69
DeSmith always has good SV% and GAA(Goals Against average) and is a proven a legit NHL back-up or a split time NHL 1A/1B goalie.

The price for Quick isn’t enough of an upgrade in his play over DeSmith anymore.

With C.Peterson and C.DeSmith, the Kings have a good, capable goalie combo, that doesn’t cost them barely anything against the cap.

It gives them a good situation at goalie. Which ever goalie out preforms the other, over the next two years, The Kings can resign and keep as their starter and mentor towards a goalie prospect( Both C.Peterson and C.DeSmith are UFA after 2022).


Quick doesn't actually make that money. He makes $3.5M and $2.5M in his last two seasons, respectively. The Kings are not a cap team, and won't be any time in the near future, so his inflated cap hit doesn't affect them.

Quick has been fantastic so far this season. Even if he wasn't the statistical leader in every category in Kings franchise history, he would be worth keeping around based on how well he has been playing so far. The fact that he has won the Kings two Stanley Cups while getting himself a Conn Smythe and a pair of Vezina nominations and will be inducted into the Hall of Fame, have his jersey retired by LA, and get a statue outside of Staples Center when he decides to hang it up is just extra reason to keep him around.

Unless he gets taken by Seattle in the expansion draft, Quick isn't going anywhere before his contract expires.
Mar 6 at 4:57
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Edited Mar 6 at 5:13
Quoting: tkecanuck341
I didn't say Bjornfot or Anderson were better than Pettersson, just that Pettersson is not better than Bjornfot or Anderson. Both of those guys are young and expected to be big parts of the future in LA. I project that Bjornfot will be the next player to wear the "C" after Kopitar retires. Both have stepped up and performed exceptionally well thus far, and are 19 and 21 respectively, so they'll only be getting better. It's unclear whether either will step up to be a bonafide first-pair defenseman on a contender, but the 2D and 3D positions are covered between those two guys.

If Pettersson were on waivers and the Kings could pick him up for free, then I would say that maybe the Kings could give him he would be a good redundancy to have. However, he's not worth spending any assets to pick up.


Lol. Pettersson on waivers.

Good luck with Anderson and Bjornfot. I hope they continue to pan out. The point is, is that Pettersson is much more proven.

A proven top 4 on a play-off team. 20 plus minutes a night. Still with more potential there.

Anderson and Bjornfot have had a ok start, not even half the season, on a last place bad team. Not impressive at all.

Play top 4, 20 plus minutes a night, and put up good numbers, for a whole season, on a winning, play-off team, in the NHL. And continue to do so in the play-offs. Then they will receive a contract like Pettersson, have Pettersson value and be considered on his level.
Mar 6 at 4:41
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Quoting: LetsGoPens69
Lol. Pettersson on waivers.

Good luck with Anderson and Bjornfot. I hope they continue to pan out. The point is, is that Pettersson is much more proven.

A proven top 4 on a play-off team. 20 plus minutes a night. Still with more potential there.

Anderson and Bjornfot have had a ok start, not even half the season, on a last place bad team. Not impressive at all.

Play top 4, 20 plus minutes a night, and put up good numbers, for a whole season, on a winning, play-off team, in the NHL. And continue to do so in the play-offs. Then they will receive a contract like Pettersson, have Pettersson value and be considered on his level.


I wasn't implying that Pettersson should be on waivers. I was just saying if the Kings could acquire him without having to give up quality pieces, then they might consider it. But they're not going to give up anything of value to fill a position where they're already pretty well set. The "dynamic LHD" that they're looking to acquire needs to be significantly better than Pettersson.
 
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