What I think it would take for Eichel to work in Colorado from cap perspective

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Created by: Anus_McLeod

Team: 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche

Initial Creation Date: Mar. 5, 2021

Published: Mar. 5, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Too many aren't considering the cap enough with the Eichel to Colorado trades. Obviously I would love to have a Mack/Jack combo, but basically it would take the following in order to make it work and still have good players around Eichel:

-All of Compher, Donskoi, and Graves need to go (maybe Kadri, but he has trade protection, which makes it a little tougher)
-Makar needs to take a bridge
-Landeskog and Grubauer need to take very reasonable deals
-The Avs cannot include Newhook, as they need him in order to fill the lineup
-Based on the above, the Sabres would have to accept a trade that does not include Newhook, which I doubt they do
-Unless it happens after the expansion draft, Johnson needs to waive his NMC
-Avs need to find a bargain LD (note that Chara is not a serious plug here, but it made me chuckle)

It's really tough. I guess this kinda works, but it's a ton of dominos falling neatly in order to get there. And more tough decisions would be necessary in the future. Filling the roster without draft picks is tough too.

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Newhook, Alex		3	$925,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Jost, Tyson	2	$1,350,000
Makar, Cale	3	$6,750,000
Timmins, Conor	2	$1,150,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Grubauer, Philipp	4	$5,000,000
Landeskog, Gabriel	7	$6,750,000
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard	1	$1,000,000
Chara, Zdeno	1	$800,000

Trades

COL

Eichel, Jack

BUF

Byram, Bowen
Compher, J.T.
Kaut, Martin
2021 1st round pick (COL)
2022 1st round pick (COL)

COL

Seattle

BUF

Graves, Ryan

COL

Anywhere to get rid of salary

BUF

Donskoi, Joonas

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$83,189,796	$1,741,463	$200,000	-$1,689,796

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Landeskog, Gabriel $6,750,000$6,750,000 LW, C UFA - 8	MacKinnon, Nathan $6,300,000$6,300,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Rantanen, Mikko $9,250,000$9,250,000 RW, C UFA - 4
Newhook, Alex $925,000$925,000 C, LW RFA - 2	Eichel, Jack $10,000,000$10,000,000 C UFA - 5	Burakovsky, André $4,900,000$4,900,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Nichushkin, Valeri $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 1	Jost, Tyson $1,350,000$1,350,000 C UFA - 2
Bowers, Shane $925,000$925,000 ($200,000$200K) C RFA - 1	Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard $1,000,000$1,000,000 C, LW UFA - 2	O'Connor, Logan $725,000$725,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Toews, Devon $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD UFA - 3	Makar, Cale $6,750,000$6,750,000 RD UFA - 6	Grubauer, Philipp $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 6
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 6	Johnson, Erik $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Francouz, Pavel $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 1
	Timmins, Conor $1,150,000$1,150,000 RD RFA - 2
Chara, Zdeno $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Henry, Nicholas $798,333$798,333 RW UFA - 1
MacDonald, Jacob $725,000$725,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:27 a.m.

villenash

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If Eichel goes to COL (which he won't), Newhook would have to be going back to BUF. He would be redundant in COL at that point and would be much more valuable to BUF who just lost their top center. Cozens - Newhook would be their future

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Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:27 a.m.

MJCrv

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I think that’s a pretty good offer for Eichel. I like Kaut more than newhook, but I wonder if the Sabres would want the center instead.

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.

coga16

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that was my point about adding eichel, you have to move out as much money as you take in with him. and with how grubauer is playing, I think he could maybe even get 6m, closer to what Markstrom got in UFA.

I think that landeskog contract is about 1m too low and bridging Makar is a bad idea, its going to hurt the team really bad down the line, you try to get the long term deal done now.

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Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:29 a.m.

GMs

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Landeskog will get way more than Kreider/Gallagher

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Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:32 a.m.

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: villenash

Quoting: MJCrv

I think that’s a pretty good offer for Eichel. I like Kaut more than newhook, but I wonder if the Sabres would want the center instead.

Quoting: coga16

Quoting: GMs

Landeskog will get way more than Kreider/Gallagher

See description. I'm not in disagreement with the points being made.

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:37 a.m.

coga16

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

See description. I'm not in disagreement with the points being made.

I think its just too convenient for 2 of the biggest UFAs to both take money off their deals. Just the Makar thing....making him take a bridge is going to hurt down the line, to the point you major contracts to deal with in Mack 2 years down the line, then Makar again, then Rantanen....at that point the team will be pretty much dismantled to keep those guys

Try to get the makar deal done now so you dont have to rip apart the team every offseason bc you have 10m in eichel that you reallydont need bc if you believe in newhook, whats the point.
If you dont believe in newhook then thats a different story

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Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:38 a.m.

ArakinSkywalker

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Be nice if we added eichel then the cap went up by like 4 mil

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Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:38 a.m.

Alfie11

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Quoting: MJCrv

I think that’s a pretty good offer for Eichel. I like Kaut more than newhook, but I wonder if the Sabres would want the center instead.

I think you’re probably the only person on the planet who likes Kaut over Newhook. Sabres would definitely want him, Byram is obviously elite but they have Dahlin, and a high end 1-2 punch at C of Cozens+Newhook would be better long term than a high end 1-2 punch at LD

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:39 a.m.

SalamiCheese

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The problem of position and value. We cannot trade Eichel for Newhook and the late firsts as a base, but we also need to return a center like Newhook.

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:41 a.m.

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SabresSuck9

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How bout

Eichel
Dahlin

Byram
Newhook
Kaut
Kadri
Erik Johnson (cap)
1st
Insert random pick

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:46 a.m.

#11

Wadejos123

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You would have to swap kaut with Newhook

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:46 a.m.

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Sabres_Insider

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Quoting: SabresSuck9

How bout

Eichel
Dahlin

Byram
Newhook
Kaut
Kadri
Erik Johnson (cap)
1st
Insert random pick

LOL what. Trading dahlin is brutal

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.

#13

SabresSuck9

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Quoting: Sabres_Insider

LOL what. Trading dahlin is brutal

And trading Eichel isn’t?

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.

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Sabres_Insider

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I think a fair trade would be

Eichel

for

Bryam
1st
Newhook
Compher
Graves
Kadri

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:51 a.m.

#15

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Quoting: SabresSuck9

And trading Eichel isn’t?

Im not making the rumors, I go by what I hear.

I dont like trading Eichel, but if hes frusterated and wants out we have to trade him

Dahlin is regressing under Kruger. Ralph doesnt let him get active in the play. Housely let dalhin do his own thing and that is where he shined

Mar. 5, 2021 at 11:53 a.m.

#16

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Quoting: coga16

Makar doing a long-term deal for $8.5-9M this off-season would be huge for the Avs but it's going to be up to him and his agent. I do wonder if all these little injuries he's had might push him to take the long-term deal sooner rather than later. I mean, if he wants to gamble and bet on himself being in the top three in Norris voting and/or winning a Cup within the next few years, his camp could just ask for a bridge, wait for the cap to go up and then ask for $11-12M. I think we're all more than a little interested in seeing what happens with Landy, Makar and Gru's contracts.

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Mar. 5, 2021 at 12:01 p.m.

#17

coga16

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Quoting: Sabres_Insider

I think a fair trade would be

Eichel

for

Bryam
1st
Newhook
Compher
Graves
Kadri

and then you woke up from your fantasy land over valuing trade

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Mar. 5, 2021 at 12:03 p.m.

#18

Sabres_Insider

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Quoting: coga16

and then you woke up from your fantasy land over valuing trade

dont expect eichel in col without that

drop kadri

Mar. 5, 2021 at 12:05 p.m.

#19

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: coga16

I believe in Newhook, but few are as good as Eichel.

That's beside the point though. You should love this post because the whole point of it is that Eichel is a bridge too far. It's basically illustrating what you reply on every Eichel to Colorado post.

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Mar. 5, 2021 at 12:06 p.m.

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coga16

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Quoting: Sabres_Insider

dont expect eichel in col without that

drop kadri

avs are not trying to trade for Eichel, and you are not getting both Newhook and Byram level players,

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Mar. 5, 2021 at 12:07 p.m.

#21

coga16

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

oh I Know, I get what you are saying, just commenting on it I guess for the sake of commenting bc its friday and I am avoiding work haha

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Mar. 6, 2021 at 1:11 a.m.

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TJTwolf

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Quoting: coga16

and then you woke up from your fantasy land over valuing trade

Glad you got there first!

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