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Keeping Phillip and Tomas around

Created by: SevenLeg
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 8, 2021
Published: Mar. 8, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Phil Danault opts for the safest option, while Tatar banks on himself to gain a longer contract.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,333,333
4$2,500,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
6$5,000,000
3$1,333,333
1$5,500,000
Trades
1.
MTL
    Seattle Expansion Draft
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    1. Byron, Paul
    2. Smith, Jack [Reserve List]
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (MTL)
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    Joel Armia UFA rights

    Protection List :
    Anderson, Drouin, Evans, Gallagher, Toffoli, Kotkaniemi, Lehkonen
    Petry, Weber, Edmundson
    Allen

    Notable Exposures :
    Perry, Byron, Chiarot, Kulak, Fleury, Mete, Price*

    Price takes one for the team, proposes to waive his clause to avoid losing the best backup he's had in over a decade, a is thanked by Bergevin.
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    MTL
    1. 2022 3rd round pick (WPG)
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    22$81,500,000$71,005,953$597,561$1,175,000$10,494,047
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    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
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    $3,333,333$3,333,333
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $925,000$925,000
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    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    LW, RW
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    UFA - 2
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    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    C
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    UFA - 1
    $1,333,333$1,333,333
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    C
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    UFA - 3
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    UFA - 4
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    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    G
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    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
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    RFA - 1
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    RD
    UFA - 5
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    $2,875,000$2,875,000
    G
    UFA - 2
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    $925,000$925,000
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    UFA - 1
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    $800,000$800,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    $750,000$750,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
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    C, LW
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    Mar. 9, 2021 at 10:40 a.m.
    #26
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    Tbf, the UFA forward group was not particularly impressive. Hoffman played his hand for too long and was only interested in a handful teams, Dadonov got more or less fair value, Tyler Toffoli was available until day 3 for some reason. That's pretty much it.


    Point of curiosity: Who would you trade the following year to make room for the new contracts for Suzuki and Romanov? Not being facetious, just curious what your thoughts would be there.
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    Mar. 9, 2021 at 10:42 a.m.
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    Good comparable re: Copp. Also doesn’t score much but is still an extremely useful player. What do you think his cap hit projects to be as a UFA?


    Well with copp being an RFA Jets have some leverage. I think he’ll get like 4 years at 3.5 - 4m a year.

    They’re close in style of play, very close.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 10:44 a.m.
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    Well with copp being an RFA Jets have some leverage. I think he’ll get like 4 years at 3.5 - 4m a year.

    They’re close in style of play, very close.


    And Copp hasn’t had wingers the quality of Tatar and Gallagher either.
    Am I missing something with Copp though, is he not 27 this coming July 1st, and doesn’t that make him an automatic UFA?
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    Mar. 9, 2021 at 10:49 a.m.
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    And Copp hasn’t had wingers the quality of Tatar and Gallagher either.
    Am I missing something with Copp though, is he not 27 this coming July 1st, and doesn’t that make him an automatic UFA?


    I have no idea why, cause I thought the same thing. I think it has something to do with the fact that he came out of college at I think like 22 before signing his ELC. Think this is his last ueR as an RFA. Yeah he’s had one chance with good wingers at the start of this year and he was over a PPG LOL.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 10:57 a.m.
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    Quoting: Wreckless
    Point of curiosity: Who would you trade the following year to make room for the new contracts for Suzuki and Romanov? Not being facetious, just curious what your thoughts would be there.


    In the AGM above, I signed Tatar to a one-year contract, similar to Hoffman. Jake Allen, depending on how Primeau does, could be expendable. Brett Kulak will become a luxury at 1.85m$ and could easily be replaced by the influx of young LDs. Hopefully, by 2022-23, the salary cap will raise by 1 million or so.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 11:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    In the AGM above, I signed Tatar to a one-year contract, similar to Hoffman. Jake Allen, depending on how Primeau does, could be expendable. Brett Kulak will become a luxury at 1.85m$ and could easily be replaced by the influx of young LDs. Hopefully, by 2022-23, the salary cap will raise by 1 million or so.


    You wrote that Tatar banks on himself to gain a longer contract. Okay, so not from us then, I get it. But you’d have to think that Tatar would know better than to sign a 1 year contract with the Habs when it would be obvious that he’d need to go the following year to make room for two cornerstones of our future.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 11:20 a.m.
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    I have no idea why, cause I thought the same thing. I think it has something to do with the fact that he came out of college at I think like 22 before signing his ELC. Think this is his last ueR as an RFA. Yeah he’s had one chance with good wingers at the start of this year and he was over a PPG LOL.


    I’m trying to find an exception to the 27 year old rule but I don’t believe there is one. Is it possible capfriendly has him listed wrong?
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    Mar. 9, 2021 at 11:23 a.m.
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    Quoting: Wreckless
    You wrote that Tatar banks on himself to gain a longer contract. Okay, so not from us then, I get it. But you’d have to think that Tatar would know better than to sign a 1 year contract with the Habs when it would be obvious that he’d need to go the following year to make room for two cornerstones of our future.


    Well Mike Hoffman is probably not a part of the Blues either, Tatar works well here, but didn't in Vegas. If he wants to wait until the cap raises, he'd be foolish to leave a team on which he succeeds for another team where he risks to have problems adjusting.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 11:32 a.m.
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    Well Mike Hoffman is probably not a part of the Blues either, Tatar works well here, but didn't in Vegas. If he wants to wait until the cap raises, he'd be foolish to leave a team on which he succeeds for another team where he risks to have problems adjusting.


    And thus why the contract that he will ultimately sign will probably be the one that offers the most term. See Toffoli, Tyler.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 11:38 a.m.
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    Quoting: Wreckless
    And thus why the contract that he will ultimately sign will probably be the one that offers the most term. See Toffoli, Tyler.


    It's either Toffoli's and Dadonov's way or Mike Hoffman's. I adjusted his cap hit to make sure that he opts for the second way. An higher cap hit for less term. You know what I mean? You can play with the cap hit to adjust the term. Two years ago, Vancouver needed Alex Edler to sign only for two years, as they'd need to sign Pettersson and Hughes. They gave him an higher cap hit since they could afford it for the two years. In our case, since it's possible to afford Tatar for one more year before Romanov and Suzuki need raises, we can throw him more money to bring him back for a year.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 1:06 p.m.
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    It's either Toffoli's and Dadonov's way or Mike Hoffman's. I adjusted his cap hit to make sure that he opts for the second way. An higher cap hit for less term. You know what I mean? You can play with the cap hit to adjust the term. Two years ago, Vancouver needed Alex Edler to sign only for two years, as they'd need to sign Pettersson and Hughes. They gave him an higher cap hit since they could afford it for the two years. In our case, since it's possible to afford Tatar for one more year before Romanov and Suzuki need raises, we can throw him more money to bring him back for a year.


    Hoffman signed for one year at $4mm. Not sure how you can make the case for 1x$5.5mm for Tatar when Hoffman is the better goal scorer. But even then, in response to your saying “to make sure that he opts for the second way”... the thought of Tatar accepting 1x$5.5mm ahead of e.g. 4x$4.25mm i don’t think is realistic. And I’m pretty sure there’s at least one team who will offer him the latter.

    Especially with the risk (as you pointed out) of him not fitting in, as was the case in Vegas. A lot can go wrong on a 1 year deal (or in the final year of your deal). Just ask Phil Danault.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 1:09 p.m.
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    I’m trying to find an exception to the 27 year old rule but I don’t believe there is one. Is it possible capfriendly has him listed wrong?


    I have no idea. Everywhere I look he’s going to be an RFA.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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    Hoffman signed for one year at $4mm. Not sure how you can make the case for 1x$5.5mm for Tatar when Hoffman is the better goal scorer. But even then, in response to your saying “to make sure that he opts for the second way”... the thought of Tatar accepting 1x$5.5mm ahead of e.g. 4x$4.25mm i don’t think is realistic. And I’m pretty sure there’s at least one team who will offer him the latter.

    Especially with the risk (as you pointed out) of him not fitting in, as was the case in Vegas. A lot can go wrong on a 1 year deal (or in the final year of your deal). Just ask Phil Danault.


    You realize that the only thing that Hoffman has better than Tatar is his shot right? He's worse at litteraly everything else. Like I said, I threw off the remaining cap space to Tatar, remove or add 500k if it pleases you, my point remains that Tatar can be brought back for a year. You don't think some team offered Hoffman more than one year? I'd be surprised. Well, he opted for the shorter contract, waiting for the cap to raise. It's not unrealistic at all.
    Mar. 9, 2021 at 1:30 p.m.
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    And Copp hasn’t had wingers the quality of Tatar and Gallagher either.
    Am I missing something with Copp though, is he not 27 this coming July 1st, and doesn’t that make him an automatic UFA?


    Quoting: tsyls
    I have no idea. Everywhere I look he’s going to be an RFA.


    I believe it is because of one of two reasons, or maybe even both, but even though Copp will be 27 shortly after his contract expires 1) he is only 26 when his current contract expires and/or 2) even though he will be 27, he has only put in 6 full years in the NHL and you need 7 years minimum before the age of 27 to be declared UFA.
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    Mar. 9, 2021 at 1:34 p.m.
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    I believe it is because of one of two reasons, or maybe even both, but even though Copp will be 27 shortly after his contract expires 1) he is only 26 when his current contract expires and/or 2) even though he will be 27, he has only put in 6 full years in the NHL and you need 7 years minimum before the age of 27 to be declared UFA.


    Likely both
     
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