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Helping another teams cup odds and its bottom line for this season

Created by: sensonfire
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 10, 2021
Published: Mar. 10, 2021
Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators
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I have a feeling that the Hurricanes are not pleased with Cedric Paquette after trading Ryan Dzingel for him and Galchenyuk.

Paquette only plays 5 - 10 minutes a night and is nothing more than a 4th line scratch :(

With his cap hit and his salary at 1.65 million, he's nothing more than negative value for the Canes.

In this trade, I send Paquette back to the Sens for Nick Paul.

Nick Paul has a smaller cap hit than Paquette and is the more effective player by far.

His base salary for this year is $450,000 less than Paquette's, which is a godsend to the team's bottom line during these tough economic times.

And he has one more year left after this one, so if Carolina wants him to stick around after this season, he can.

Paul plays the same position as Paquette, he can move up and down the lineup and is effective on both the powerplay and penalty kill.

According to https://www.freeagentforecast.com/nhl/team-needs, Carolina is severely lacking at LW.

Trading Paquette for Paul is part of the solution for the Hurricanes and it's cost-effective.

The only downside for Carolina is the swapping of picks, but it shouldn't matter because they will be close in value.

The two most important priorities for Carolina during this trade deadline should be improving the odds of winning another Stanley Cup and saving money when nobody can pay the price of admission to see the Canes play.

Let me know how you would make this a better trade for both teams :)
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. Paquette, Cédric
  2. 2021 1st round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
1st round pick is conditional.

Condition: If Carolina either a) wins their division or b) advances to the conference finals, the pick moves to 2022.
CAR
  1. Paul, Nicholas
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (SJS)
Additional Details:
I'm not sure whether Carolina deserves the higher or the lower of Ottawa's 2 second-round picks. Maybe somebody could tell me in the comments :)
Buyouts
  • Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
  • Dion Phaneuf: $1,354,167
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Nicholas Paul: $600,750 (45%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$73,313,249$0$7,170,000$8,186,751
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Tkachuk, Brady
$925,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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Norris, Joshua
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
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Batherson, Drake
$736,666
RW
UFA - 1
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Stützle, Tim
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 3
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White, Colin
$4,750,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
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Dadonov, Evgeni
$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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Dzingel, Ryan
$3,375,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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Tierney, Chris
$3,500,000
C
UFA - 2
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Brown, Connor
$3,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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Peca, Matthew
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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Anisimov, Artem
$4,550,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Watson, Austin
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Chabot, Thomas
$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 8
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Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
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Murray, Matt
$6,250,000
G
UFA - 4
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Reilly, Mike
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Zub, Artem
$925,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Daccord, Joey
$750,000
G
RFA - 3
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Brännström, Erik
$863,333
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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Gudbranson, Erik
$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Brown, Joshua
$1,200,000
RD
UFA - 2
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Stepan, Derek
$6,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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Wolanin, Christian
$900,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Högberg, Marcus
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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Coburn, Braydon
$1,700,000 ($625,000)
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Paquette, Cédric
$1,650,000 ($575,000)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Mandolese, Kevin
$835,000 ($0)
G
RFA - 3
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Bishop, Clark
$700,000 ($0)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Haley, Micheal
$700,000 ($0)
C
UFA - 1

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Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:42 p.m.
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How in the world do you think Carolina would give a 1st for Paul. Are u crazy
Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Mwasylko34
How in the world do you think Carolina would give a 1st for Paul. Are u crazy


Carolina gets back a high second.

A low first and a high second are very close in value, just FYI.
Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:43 p.m.
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Carolina gets back a high second.


That doesnt matter. They arent trading a first round pick for a guy who has 39 points in 140 NHL games. There is no logic to that
Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:44 p.m.
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I give you credit for typing out your thoughts. I was really thinking I was going to get something interesting. However, I was disappointed when I realized this was a discussion about 4th line forwards and about 5 draft spots.
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:47 p.m.
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Make the 2nd a 3rd, paul has been amazing
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Mwasylko34
That doesnt matter. They arent trading a first round pick for a guy who has 39 points in 140 NHL games. There is no logic to that


There is no logic to having pending UFA Paquette on your team over a less expensive Nick Paul.

Zero.

Nick Paul's career points don't tell the entire story.

I have a feeling a lot of people overvalue a low 1st round pick on capfriendly :/
Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:48 p.m.
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The difference between a high 2nd and a lower 1st isn't worth moving Paul.
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If we give up Paquette, we lose our goon. He is not here to put up points, he is here to lay hits, and stand up for his teammates with Marty. The two draft picks are useless. I'd have to say no deal.
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:48 p.m.
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If we give up Paquette, we lose our goon. He is not here to put up points, he is here to lay hits, and stand up for his teammates with Marty. The two draft picks are useless. I'd have to say no deal.


Paul does that too
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
There is no logic to having pending UFA Paquette on your team over a less expensive Nick Paul.

Zero.

Nick Paul's career points don't tell the entire story.

I have a feeling a lot of people overvalue a low 1st round pick on capfriendly :/


Still trade Paul and Paquette straight up then no reason to waste a first round pick when that can be moved for better player
Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
There is no logic to having pending UFA Paquette on your team over a less expensive Nick Paul.

Zero.

Nick Paul's career points don't tell the entire story.

I have a feeling a lot of people overvalue a low 1st round pick on capfriendly :/


Actually, a ton of logic. Paquette is the only person that will hit. Marty stands up for his teammates but doesn't hit, so that leaves Paquette as the only one that does.
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Paul does that too


Not as good as Paquette. I see him as more of a secondary scorer, which we already have enough of.
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Not as good as Paquette.


Yeah but he also knows how to do more than one thing unlike paquette thus making him much more valuable
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Mwasylko34
Still trade Paul and Paquette straight up then no reason to waste a first round pick when that can be moved for better player


In what universe would Ottawa trade Paul for Paquette straight up??
Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:52 p.m.
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Deal is nonsense.

Paquette has been fine in CAR. He was brought in to add grit and be a 4th line C. He’s doing that just fine. His cap hit is not an issue. What on earth makes you think he’s not fitting in and also why on earth would the Canes consider doing this at all?
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:53 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
In what universe would Ottawa trade Paul for Paquette straight up??


We deserve the higher pick I think btw.
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 2:56 p.m.
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Deal is nonsense.

Paquette has been fine in CAR. He was brought in to add grit and be a 4th line C. He’s doing that just fine. His cap hit is not an issue. What on earth makes you think he’s not fitting in and also why on earth would the Canes consider doing this at all?


If he's fitting in, why would Paquette be playing only 6-7 minutes a night?

If he's playing only 6-7 minutes a night in the regular season, he'll be a healthy scratch during the playoffs.

Guaranteed.

Carolina does this for the reasons that I mentioned in the description to this post.

I hoped you at least read them before commenting smile
Mar. 10, 2021 at 3:02 p.m.
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If he's fitting in, why would Paquette be playing only 6-7 minutes a night?

If he's playing only 6-7 minutes a night in the regular season, he'll be a healthy scratch during the playoffs.

Guaranteed.

Carolina does this for the reasons that I mentioned in the description to this post.

I hoped you at least read them before commenting smile


Paquette plays just as much as the rest of the canes 4th line (with the exception of Martinook who kills penalties). When there's three lines that can score & play well defensively the fourth line becomes a "feel for the game" type line rather than a line that sees regular playing time.

Also, if Carolina wanted Paul over Paquette, why wouldn't they have just made that trade to begin with?
Mar. 10, 2021 at 3:02 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
In what universe would Ottawa trade Paul for Paquette straight up??


the same universe that you think Paul is worth a 1st round pick
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 3:03 p.m.
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If he's fitting in, why would Paquette be playing only 6-7 minutes a night?

If he's playing only 6-7 minutes a night in the regular season, he'll be a healthy scratch during the playoffs.

Guaranteed.

Carolina does this for the reasons that I mentioned in the description to this post.

I hoped you at least read them before commenting smile


he’s playing 6-7mins a night because he’s a 4th line forward. That argument makes no sense, kinda like your attempt at explaining a nonsensical trade.
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 3:03 p.m.
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Ottawa should be looking to keep Nick Paul unless someone is truly overpaying for him. I sure as hell wouldn't move him just to jump a few spots in a weak draft.
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Mar. 10, 2021 at 3:05 p.m.
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Paquette plays just as much as the rest of the canes 4th line (with the exception of Martinook who kills penalties). When there's three lines that can score & play well defensively the fourth line becomes a "feel for the game" type line rather than a line that sees regular playing time.

Also, if Carolina wanted Paul over Paquette, why wouldn't they have just made that trade to begin with?


Because Paul is the better player and Ottawa would tell them to go fleece someone else?
Mar. 10, 2021 at 3:08 p.m.
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the same universe that you think Paul is worth a 1st round pick


I made no indication Paul is worth a 1st round pick.

If you look a little closer, Canes are getting a high second back and it's very close in value to Carolina's first.

And why do you care about a trade idea that has nothing to do with your team?

Are you trolling?
Mar. 10, 2021 at 3:11 p.m.
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he’s playing 6-7mins a night because he’s a 4th line forward. That argument makes no sense, kinda like your attempt at explaining a nonsensical trade.


If you were capable of explaining a trade that made sense, you would have posted one.

But you haven't :/

And Paul can play up and down the lineup while Paquette can not, so ...
Mar. 10, 2021 at 3:12 p.m.
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Because Paul is the better player and Ottawa would tell them to go fleece someone else?


If the difference between Paquette & Paul is only 5-10 draft spots, the canes could have just swapped Paul & Paquette in the original trade and included a late round pick to make up for that. Your logic is flawed.
 
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