I feel like Arizona could get a lot more value for Larsson than that

Um, yeah.... no.


Sturm is just as good as if not better then ZAR. He'd be the perfect 3C for the Pens, so why are we adding? It would be 1 for 1 and your coming to us wanting our player, we don't add.

You think a fourth liner will get a lot more than a bottom pair D? I highly doubt it...GMJR isn’t exactly working for a team anymore lol

Just as good, if not better than ZAR? ZAR is one of the better defensive forwards in hockey, has more goals and has more points in less games. I don’t see how Nico Sturm has been better 🤷‍♂️

This is an absolute no from Minnesota wild. You aren't getting nico sturm, young dynamic player for reese

Reese is a big part of wild. It would be Pittsburgh who adds, but sturm isn't going anywhere

Also, wild aren't trading A good young player to penguins with having penguins 1st round pick, & 3rd round pick this year

I am a massive Sturm fan, but just no, he's a good 4C, ZAR is one of the best defensive forwards in the game tho (well forechecking forwards, but like the opposing team gets almost no chances when he's on the ice, so similar outcome)

Goals, & points aren't everything. That isn't how you measure who made a difference or not.

From wild perspective, it's a no on sturm. Watch another team besides Pittsburgh before making this comments

Yeah this is blatantly false. Joel Eriksson Ek is.

https://theathletic.com/2428496/2021/03/05/how-wilds-joel-eriksson-ek-has-emerged-as-one-of-the-nhls-top-two-way-forwards/

Good "Young" player, who's significantly worse, and is a whopping 9 months younger

I said one of, not the best, ik JEE is an absolute stud, but this isn't about JEE, it's about Sturm and ZAR, the latter of which is closer to JEE than he is to most other players in the league defensively (he put up comparable numbers to what JEE is currently doing last year, and is still near the top in EVD GAR again)

I didn't know exactly how good he is defensively, and he is also more unproven. That is why I added a pick, but if this is the only issue I would be willing to make that trade anyway.

Reese has been in the NHL way way longer than Sturm. Reese has 26 goals in 132 games. Freeze is a free agent after year

Wild rather keep sturm

That is your opinion. You are a Pittsburg fan who doesn't watch wild, or have ever watched sturm play on wild

So your opinion isn't a fact.

If sturm was so bad, you wouldn't want him then would you?

I think I'd just rather keep Sturm.

Doesn't really matter. Wild aren't trading sturm, or any players from this current team

You see, this is what cracks me up a bit inside. I had this exact discussion with Pens fans last year when I had the temerity to imply that JEE was better than ZAR and among the best young defensive centers in the league. Needless to say, I was shot down pretty quick because his points totals weren't as good and because ZAR got Selke votes and JEE didn't.

Selke votes are first and foremost a joke, to say the least. ZAR gets Selke votes because he plays for the high-profile Penguins, JEE didn't receive any because he plays for a flyover team as far as most fans and the casual media are concerned. JEE is getting them now, because he's broken out offensively this year and because of the absolute tear the team's been on of late. Having Kaprizov has forced others to actually look at the other players on our roster and seeing first hand that Wild fans aren't just blowing smoke whenever we talk about them. People have had to recognize just how good JEE actually is.

Here's the thing, I'm a fan of both teams. I watch both of them religiously. I've watched both players a great deal and like them both equally. ZAR is the better defensive player, that is true. Sturm however is much much faster, and is dynamic offensively even if the points haven't come for him yet. But they will in time. Sturm is also extremely solid defensively in his own right, even if ZAR is better in that department.

The bottom line is they're different players with different strengths but enough similarities to justify comparisons of each other. In that regard, after having watched them both at length I can comfortably say that Sturm is just as good of a player as ZAR if not the better overall player.

A. I've watched Sturm since he was in college, B. I have watched the wild a few times this year (JEE Foligno Kaprisov and that defense is v fun)

Nobody's opinion is fact, but my opinion is backed up by numbers as well as my eye test

I never said Sturm was bad, he's a good 4C, ZAR is just one of the best bottom 6ers in the game, I think the issue here is you not realizing how effective ZAR is at not letting the other team get chances while he's on the ice rather than me underrating Sturm

Him being in the NHL longer doesn't change the fact that they're very similar ages, goals are far from the best stat to use for any forward, much less a guy who's strength is his defensive game

PIT would much rather keep ZAR anyway

Goals aren't the best to measure, that's just blatantly false.

Well, wild rather keep sturm also because he's more fatter, & more skilled

I totally agree with what you're saying in the first 2 paragraphs, Selke votes are worthless, hell both Tanev and Blueger also got votes iirc despite ZAR being SIGNIFICANTLY better than both of them, and I likely would have taken JEE over ZAR last year as well, even setting aside age, JEE was good defensively (not quite as good as ZAR, but still very good) and his offense was likely more than enough to make him have a better overall impact than ZAR however I do not agree with the last 2 paragraphs, being faster/more dynamic does not make a player better, ie AA in LAK, super fast, but one of the worst players in the league, or Stütz in OTT, very flashy and dynamic, but has put up just dreadful results, even for OTT, that are only buoyed up by unsustainable on ice finishing luck. But regardless, even if what you say is true and Sturm has roughly the same impact as ZAR, ZAR probably still has more market value being a complete defensive specialist, guys like Brandon Carlo would get more in a trade than their net impact would suggest bc they are so great defensively. Also idk if you were hinting at a JEE comp/"breakout" for Sturm, but Sturm is currently 25, almost 26, he likely is what he is (which is not bad at all, just saying he likely won't improve), JEE last year at this time had just turned 23, that's a huge difference

So Ovi is the greatest player of this generation, debatably the best player ever?

Him being fatter also doesn't seem like an advantage... or assuming you meant faster, does also not make him a better player, AA is one of the fastest players in the league, but is consistently one of the worst, and Stütz is extremely skilled and still putting up pitiful numbers, even for OTT (only boosted by totally unsustainable on ice finishing luck)

I mean if you are only going to cherry pick one thing I said in the comment then probably not going to get anywhere with you lol

I meant faster. He's also very skilled, & dynamic. There's a difference between sturm, & aa

I think if sold he can fetch a 3rd, he's a very effective bottom 6er with good metrics on a cheap contract with term