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someone explain LTIR like Im 5

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Team: 2021-22 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 26, 2021
Published: Mar. 26, 2021
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Shaw done, Seabs done, Toews?? How far above the cap can they be day 1 of season? Know there is something about not accruing cap throughout the season?
If they can exceed the cap why not take on everyone's dead cap... again i dont know what I'm talking about....
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      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:17 p.m.
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      CapFriendly's LTIR section says a lot

      https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq
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      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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      Okay, so LTIR is a tool that is most often used within a season when a player gets hurt so you can exceed the cap by the AAV of the player that is hurt. When the season ends, players come off of LTIR and count against your cap as normal essentially. This creates a problem because it limits what you can do with your cap until the LTIR becomes available again in season. Since all teams have to be cap compliant when entering the season the LTIR contracts limit what you can do during the offseason. If Seabrook and Shaw both LTIRetire then the hawks cap in the offseason would essentially be their AAV’s combined minus the cap. So that means any UFA/RFA you want to sign, but can’t fit under the cap before opening day are going to have to wait until the LTIR cap is available (STL & Hoffman)
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      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:22 p.m.
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      First, why would Canucks give up a first just so the Hawks could put those players on a non cap taxi squad.c. Canucks would just keep their players on taxi squad. And whose knows in a Covid free league there might not be a taxi squad.
      A team can have as an unlimited number of players on LTIR. Of course they have to be medically unfit to play.
      Is Toews and his 10m cap hit eligible to stay on LTIR all season?
      The Leafs were against the cap last season. Then Reilly and Muzzin got injured. So with that "cap relief" when two 5m were on LTIR, the Leafs were able to go to 23 man roster. The downside was losing their top best Dman just to be replaced by Marincin and Sandin on the ice.
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      Okay, so LTIR is a tool that is most often used within a season when a player gets hurt so you can exceed the cap by the AAV of the player that is hurt. When the season ends, players come off of LTIR and count against your cap as normal essentially. This creates a problem because it limits what you can do with your cap until the LTIR becomes available again in season. Since all teams have to be cap compliant when entering the season the LTIR contracts limit what you can do during the offseason. If Seabrook and Shaw both LTIRetire then the hawks cap in the offseason would essentially be their AAV’s combined minus the cap. So that means any UFA/RFA you want to sign, but can’t fit under the cap before opening day are going to have to wait until the LTIR cap is available (STL & Hoffman)


      I disagree with that sentence about waiting to the opening day to make those signings. The Leafs went years with two 5m player on LTIR....Lupul and Horton and certainly the Leafs didn't wait to opening day to fill their rosters with another 10m in players.
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:28 p.m.
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      Canucks decline they aren't trading Podkolzin just to move Eriksson and Roussel
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:29 p.m.
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      First, why would Canucks give up a first just so the Hawks could put those players on a non cap taxi squad.c. Canucks would just keep their players on taxi squad. And whose knows in a Covid free league there might not be a taxi squad.
      A team can have as an unlimited number of players on LTIR. Of course they have to be medically unfit to play.
      Is Toews and his 10m cap hit eligible to stay on LTIR all season?
      The Leafs were against the cap last season. Then Reilly and Muzzin got injured. So with that "cap relief" when two 5m were on LTIR, the Leafs were able to go to 23 man roster. The downside was losing their top best Dman just to be replaced by Marincin and Sandin on the ice.


      You don't think the Canucks would rather have Oleksiak and Saad over Loui and Roussell? TOR gave up Seth Jarvis for $6M.
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:33 p.m.
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      You don't think the Canucks would rather have Oleksiak and Saad over Loui and Roussell? That IS what you're saying. TOR gave up Seth Jarvis for $6M.


      Well the Leafs had to get rid of 6m....The other option was trade Nylander for futures. But the Leafs were in a win mode. Canucks are no where close to a win mode. I just can't see them giving up a premium pick just to get rid of cap for one year.
      By your logic, why do the Hawks do it? Shouldn't they sign Oleksiak and Saad over having Loui, Roussell and the pick?
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:37 p.m.
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      I disagree with that sentence about waiting to the opening day to make those signings. The Leafs went years with two 5m player on LTIR....Lupul and Horton and certainly the Leafs didn't wait to opening day to fill their rosters with another 10m in players.


      I disagree with your disagreement.
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:42 p.m.
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      Well the Leafs had to get rid of 6m....The other option was trade Nylander for futures. But the Leafs were in a win mode. Canucks are no where close to a win mode. I just can't see them giving up a premium pick just to get rid of cap for one year.
      By your logic, why do the Hawks do it? Shouldn't they sign Oleksiak and Saad over having Loui, Roussell and the pick?


      A couple things. To a different comment about Horton/Clarkson. I didn't think TOR was up against the cap though. Nylander wasn't signed until during the season. Am I missing something? Honest question there.

      The assumption for why can't CHI do that. They can. STL just did it with Hoffman and Steen. SO, then the question is how close is your team. I assumed (maybe wrongly assumed) VAN thought they were closer than what you're suggesting. The Hawks also (while a very young team) don't have a very deep farm system. I thought the Canucks did. So my answer would be organizational needs and direction of the two organizations.
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:44 p.m.
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      I disagree with your disagreement.


      So you're telling me that next fall, the beginning of the 21/22 season, the Hawks can only sign 81.5m in player that includes 21m in Seabrook, Toews and Shaw. Then on opening day, the Hawks suddenly sign 21m in contracts to fill their roster? Really?
      Or lets take Leafs as an example next summer. They have their roster all signed 23m roster at the cap limit. Then Matthews getting a season long LTIR injury at training camp. By the your logic the Leafs wouldn't have 11m to spend to in cap relief till opening day. Really?
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:47 p.m.
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      So you're telling me that next fall, the beginning of the 21/22 season, the Hawks can only sign 81.5m in player that includes 21m in Seabrook, Toews and Shaw. Then on opening day, the Hawks suddenly sign 21m in contracts to fill their roster? Really?
      Or lets take Leafs as an example next summer. They have their roster all signed 23m roster at the cap limit. Then Matthews getting a season long LTIR injury at training camp. By the your logic the Leafs wouldn't have 11m to spend to in cap relief till opening day. Really?


      Yeah, kinda. You need to be cap complaint on day 1 IF you want the cap flexibility during the season. You CAN however declare someone LTIR in the offseason, BUT there isn't the "LTIR bucket" available that cap friendly creates at the top of each team page allowing teams to replace that cap.
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 1:50 p.m.
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      A couple things. To a different comment about Horton/Clarkson. I didn't think TOR was up against the cap though. Nylander wasn't signed until during the season. Am I missing something? Honest question there.

      The assumption for why can't CHI do that. They can. STL just did it with Hoffman and Steen. SO, then the question is how close is your team. I assumed (maybe wrongly assumed) VAN thought they were closer than what you're suggesting. The Hawks also (while a very young team) don't have a very deep farm system. I thought the Canucks did. So my answer would be organizational needs and direction of the two organizations.


      Leafs carried Horton for four years on LTIR. Oh yes, the Leafs were against the cap in all those seasons. And actually in Horton's last season he was on IR, because the Leafs did/could not carry big bonuses into the following seasons when Marner and Matthews came off their ELCs.
      I suppose the Blues had to be sure about Steen being on signing Hoffman. Had nothing to do with when the season started. So my above post about the Hawks having 21m in LTIR at the beginning of next season. They aren't waiting till opening day to fill those roster spots and the cap.
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 2:04 p.m.
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      Edited Mar. 26, 2021 at 2:09 p.m.
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      Leafs carried Horton for four years on LTIR. Oh yes, the Leafs were against the cap in all those seasons. And actually in Horton's last season he was on IR, because the Leafs did/could not carry big bonuses into the following seasons when Marner and Matthews came off their ELCs.
      I suppose the Blues had to be sure about Steen being on signing Hoffman. Had nothing to do with when the season started. So my above post about the Hawks having 21m in LTIR at the beginning of next season. They aren't waiting till opening day to fill those roster spots and the cap.


      But Horton wasn't LTIR until Day 2 of the season. TOR sent him to LTIR after the season started. Thats what were talking about. Go search his transactions. Oct 1st / 4th is when he was declared LTIR
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 2:17 p.m.
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      Quoting: palhal
      So you're telling me that next fall, the beginning of the 21/22 season, the Hawks can only sign 81.5m in player that includes 21m in Seabrook, Toews and Shaw. Then on opening day, the Hawks suddenly sign 21m in contracts to fill their roster? Really?
      Or lets take Leafs as an example next summer. They have their roster all signed 23m roster at the cap limit. Then Matthews getting a season long LTIR injury at training camp. By the your logic the Leafs wouldn't have 11m to spend to in cap relief till opening day. Really?


      That's exactly what I'm telling you, and that is why LTIR would be a problem for the hawks. As for your them spending 23 million on the first day, obviously that is ridiculous and would be poor cap management.
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 2:34 p.m.
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      @Stan_Bowman @exo2769 cant you be 10% over the cap in the summer?
      Mar. 26, 2021 at 2:52 p.m.
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      Stan_Bowman exo2769 cant you be 10% over the cap in the summer?


      Up to 10% yes.
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      Mar. 26, 2021 at 3:03 p.m.
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      Stan_Bowman exo2769 cant you be 10% over the cap in the summer?


      Yes, but you can't be on the opening day of the season, so that essentially dosen't matter.
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