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Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators
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    Will Sanderson be as good as Hanifin, as good as Ekblad or not as good as both?
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      Would teams be interested in Dadonov? What would his return be?
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        Will Shane Pinto be better than Josh Norris?
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          Will Formenton become a top 6 player?
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 8:57 p.m.
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          Don’t sell low on Dadi, he isn’t a huberdeau or barkov by any means but he can earn closer to his $ next season as you guys improve and you can afford the cap space
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 8:58 p.m.
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          Quoting: NYR1983
          Don’t sell low on Dadi, he isn’t a huberdeau or barkov by any means but he can earn closer to his $ next season as you guys improve and you can afford the cap space


          I just find he’s not very noticeable on the ice. He needs to be carried by better players. He’s more of a top 2 line support
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 8:58 p.m.
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          Not a sens fan, but:
          Sanderson will be better than both.
          No, if he was one year sure, because Sens would easily retain 50%, but not sure if for 2 years.
          No, Norris>Pinto
          No, Middle 6 is likely where he ends up.
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:00 p.m.
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          Quoting: Klara
          Not a sens fan, but:
          Sanderson will be better than both.
          No, if he was one year sure, because Sens would easily retain 50%, but not sure if for 2 years.
          No, Norris>Pinto
          No, Middle 6 is likely where he ends up.


          People didn’t think Sanderson had mcuh offence to him. But 15pts in 21 games in the NCAA as an 18 year old looks pretty good to me.
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:04 p.m.
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          People didn’t think Sanderson had mcuh offence to him. But 15pts in 21 games in the NCAA as an 18 year old looks pretty good to me.


          I watched a lot of footage of him in his draft year, and a few games this year, there is nothing to worry about, he'll never score 50 points, but he is easily the best defensive defenseman prospect.
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:05 p.m.
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          Quoting: Klara
          I watched a lot of footage of him in his draft year, and a few games this year, there is nothing to worry about, he'll never score 50 points, but he is easily the best defensive defenseman prospect.


          Agreed , he’s hard to beat 1 on 1 but he’s a very good skater and great in transition
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:10 p.m.
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          Sanderson has top pairing ability and likelihood - I think hes a safe bet but no big BOOM type rookie season
          Dadi isnt worth much imo
          Pinto is quite good, but Norris looks legit like he could be a long term top 6 C whereas Pinto would be best case a 2C I think (which is still good).
          Formenton isnt going to be as good as Norris, Pinto, or Batherson so Id say 3rd line winger.
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:11 p.m.
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          Sanderson has top pairing ability and likelihood - I think hes a safe bet but no big BOOM type rookie season
          Dadi isnt worth much imo
          Pinto is quite good, but Norris looks legit like he could be a top 6 C whereas Pinto would be best case a 2C I think.
          Formenton isnt going to be as good as Norris, Pinto, or Batherson so Id say 3rd line winger.


          I agree
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:15 p.m.
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          Quoting: csick
          I agree


          I do think Formenton has the tools to become a top 6 guy but I just dont get that same feeling with him as you get with Norris or Batherson (before their debuts or current performances) and Pinto just has a better feel around him, plus I think these US Uni teams have done a fantastic job with their NHL talent (Sanderson, Norris). I love the OHL route but I do think its a very wise avenue to start taking more and more for all kids including Canadians.
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:17 p.m.
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          better than Hanifin but not as good as ekblad. however i found Hanifin to be super overrated until this season and ekblad has been underrated

          if you could retain like 1.5m on Dada and get good pieces, i would do it but i probably wouldnt seek out a trade. you need some good vets

          i dont think so for last 2. i think Norris is gonna be a good top 6 winger while pinto might be more of a very good 3C, like Ellar. Im not sure formenton will be more than a 3rd liner
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:18 p.m.
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          Sanderson will be better than Hanifin but not Ekblad.
          I could see FLA having a reunion.
          I think he maxes out as Norris, bu the won't be better.
          I see Formenton as a middle 6 but can play on a top line with stars
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:36 p.m.
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          Sanderson will be a top 4 LD in the NHL for a long period than Hanifin. He has a higher ceiling and is closer to being another Chabot than a Hanifin IMO.

          For a team to be interested in Dadonov, they would need to have an elite playmaking centreman and Ottawa would have to retain at 50%. Dadonov is probably worth a low 1st/high second + B level prospect.

          Norris was drafted in the first round and has already established himself as a top 6 forward. Pinto was drafted in the second round and it's too early to tell whether he can play in the NHL.

          I see Formenton as more of a bottom six winger who plays more than 10 minutes a night and who is not on the fringes.
          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:42 p.m.
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          I Sanderson has issues it will be his foot speed.
          As far as Dadonov, it depends what the asking price is. I'm sure BOS would love him, but they don't really have anything to trade. The cupboards are bare.
          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:43 p.m.
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          I am a Sens fan so I'm probably biased.

          Yes, Sanderson will be better than both, he will the #1 defenseman ahead of Chabot.
          I can't see many teams being interested in bringing him in without sending salary back, either Seattle takes him (unlikely) or we should wait another season and see if he can rebound.
          Very similar ceilings in my opinion, I would like him to get the same treatment Norris did and spend a full season in the AHL.
          Formenton reminds me of Grabner, solid defensive third line winger who can keep up with much more skilled players and occasionally make you think he his a legit top 6 player.
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 9:51 p.m.
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          I Sanderson has issues it will be his foot speed.
          As far as Dadonov, it depends what the asking price is. I'm sure BOS would love him, but they don't really have anything to trade. The cupboards are bare.


          Never heard of that issue with foot speed. He’s a very good skater and great in transition
          Mar. 27, 2021 at 10:20 p.m.
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          Never heard of that issue with foot speed. He’s a very good skater and great in transition


          I see a lot of his games because he plays for ND. The penguins have a prospect on there so I watch them. Like they are on right now vs Duluth.
          He gets caught flat footed a lot.
          I don't know what it is. He clearly has the tools. But he's constantly looking like he's slow on the ice. Like he doesn't keep his feet moving and he doesn't have that 1st step jump.
          I think if there is a part of his game that's going to hang him it's that. You can't be flat footed in the NHL.
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 11:03 p.m.
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          Never heard of that issue with foot speed. He’s a very good skater and great in transition


          are you watching the game just out of curiosity?
          If you are like 8 minutes in OT, Bender comes down. he was caught flat footed.
          6 minutes left, he was flat footed, he got up, came in the play late, but he's face first to the goaltender, he didn't turn. He watched. Led to a shot on goal.
          Then there was the play at the end of the period.

          It's like a constant thing with him. Every game I see. He's got the tools, he can move when the puck is on his stick, but always just not head in the game. Like he doesn't move when he doesn't have the puck and ends up flat footed.
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          Mar. 27, 2021 at 11:10 p.m.
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          Quoting: pharrow
          are you watching the game just out of curiosity?
          If you are like 8 minutes in OT, Bender comes down. he was caught flat footed.
          6 minutes left, he was flat footed, he got up, came in the play late, but he's face first to the goaltender, he didn't turn. He watched. Led to a shot on goal.
          Then there was the play at the end of the period.

          It's like a constant thing with him. Every game I see. He's got the tools, he can move when the puck is on his stick, but always just not head in the game. Like he doesn't move when he doesn't have the puck and ends up flat footed.


          Who’s winning or who won? And is it a loser is out?
          Mar. 27, 2021 at 11:15 p.m.
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          Who’s winning or who won? And is it a loser is out?


          it's tied about to be 2OT, loser is done. winner goes to frozen 4
          Mar. 27, 2021 at 11:20 p.m.
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          it's tied about to be 2OT, loser is done. winner goes to frozen 4


          ah ok. Part of me would like their season to end so they can sign. How is Pinto looking
          Mar. 27, 2021 at 11:25 p.m.
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          ah ok. Part of me would like their season to end so they can sign. How is Pinto looking


          he looks really good, having a good tournament. Probably one of the best players on ND.
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          Mar. 28, 2021 at 12:07 a.m.
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          i think Sanderson definitely has the upside to be better than both those defensemen the sens just need to make sure he develops the right way. I still think hes super raw which is maybe a bit crazy to say cause hes probably NHL ready, but id like to see him be more consistent and put all the tools he has to use at the same time. Hes definitely got some really high-end tools just needs to use them more consistently.
          Dont think dadonov would really have much value but the sens need to find a better spot for him in the lineup imo, hes an offensive guy mostly playing with 2 more-so defensive guys in paul and white, I also find the sens never work it down low on the PP to get him that one-timer in the slot as much as they did in florida.
          I dont think Pinto gets past norris, I think norris is a real t6 centre and I see pinto more as a high-end middle 6.
          Not sure forms ever becomes a true top6 guy either, he can absolutely fly but I dont think he has the true skill to be a consistent top 6 option
          Mar. 28, 2021 at 2:12 a.m.
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          ah ok. Part of me would like their season to end so they can sign. How is Pinto looking


          well you got your wish, they lost 5th OT. longest game in NCAA history.
          probably a top 5 NCAA game of all time. Just Brutal. Pinto looked good up till the 4th period when he got crushed trying to play with the puck over the middle. I think that took everything out of him. He dangled past two guys and the third one said enough of that crap and just leveled him and sent him flying. He really did not look the same for awhile after that.
          This was an absolutely brutal game all night. Just tons of big hits. Some of them weren't even legal but there was no way a ref was going to call it. The shenanigans were great. A MN player grabbing a ND players stick after he dropped it and throwing it all the way across the rink to the other corner. tears of joy A ND player leveled a MN player to the ice, The proceeded to smack him up side his head. It was a classic game.
          In the end Mylymok broke free had Docker one on one, and used him as a screen shooting the puck right between his legs to beat the goalie.
          I think ND could have played better. They did not press. Played a 1-1-3 where they were letting the 3 forwards do the heavy lifting and the defense men were just playing so far back. They were scared of MN speed instead of pinning them in, wearing them down and hoping they could tire them out and score a goal.
          That's on the coach, bad game plan.
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          Mar. 28, 2021 at 6:56 a.m.
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          i had a legit reply typed out but i refreshed and lost it so i'm just gonna say sanderson will be a 7 time norris winner and formenton will be the next mcdavid, nobody can argue with that
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