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Replacing Injured Stars

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Team: 2020-21 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 29, 2021
Published: Mar. 29, 2021
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Ekblad and Lee injuries create potential needs for FLA and NYI.

Would Subban and Palmieri be fitting replacements and what would be the cost?

Also a Klefbom question.
Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Benning, Michael [Reserve List]
  2. Strålman, Anton
  3. Tippett, Owen
  4. 2021 1st round pick (FLA)
  5. 2021 3rd round pick (FLA)
Additional Details:
Two prospects, a pick or two and a cap dump. Nearly a wash on salary. 2021 3rd round pick is conditional. Only transfers if Florida wins divisional playoff round (2nd round).

One alternative: Take Stralman out of deal and move pick to 2nd rounder.
FLA
  1. Gusev, Nikita ($2,250,000 retained)
  2. Subban, P.K. ($4,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Subban and Gusev both retained at 50%. Replacing Ekblad and Hornqvist in short-term. Adding to depth over long-term.
2.
NJD
  1. Bolduc, Samuel
  2. Dufour, William [Reserve List]
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Wahlstrom is not on the table. Bellows and Salo with a 2nd don't get it done with NJD. Wilde would need 1st attached. So choices here are two lower ranked prospects and lower of their 2021 or 2022 2nd round picks.

(Note, if Islanders insist on adding Komarov, Devils will insist on adding Wahlstrom)
NYI
  1. Palmieri, Kyle ($2,325,000 retained)
  2. 2021 5th round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Palmieri at 50%
3.
NJD
  1. Klefbom, Oscar
Additional Details:
This is not a trade, but more of a question. What is value right now for Klefbom? Would EDM move him and for what?
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Mar. 29, 2021 at 7:23 a.m.
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Thank you Pavelski
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Bold of you to assume that 5 point Gusev and -10 Subban would land you value far exceeding two first round picks.

I'd advice to think again...these guys are not even close to this valuable.

Same goes for Palmieri...you grossly overvalue the Devils assets here.
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Mar. 29, 2021 at 7:55 a.m.
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Why would NJ trade for Klefbom right now? He just had surgery a few days ago. As well, due to the cap cushion OK provides EDM while on LTIR, EDM could not do this deal unless dollars in = dollars out.

I personally like Kulikov's play this season, but Klefbom should not be on the table from both sides. Besides, if he does come back, which is very unclear at this point, he represents extreme value. He is a very good defenseman on an excellent contract.

I understand your angle, but I wouldn't do this and I don't think very many Oiler fans would either.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 8:09 a.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Bold of you to assume that 5 point Gusev and -10 Subban would land you value far exceeding two first round picks.

I'd advice to think again...these guys are not even close to this valuable.

Same goes for Palmieri...you grossly overvalue the Devils assets here.


Thank you for your advice
I advise you to read the entire trade
Mar. 29, 2021 at 8:13 a.m.
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Thank you for your advice
I advise you to read the entire trade


I did, and it's an huge overpayment. Both of them are.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 8:33 a.m.
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Easy no from Florida. Tippet is now playing to his potential and part of the Cats top 6 future
Mar. 29, 2021 at 8:41 a.m.
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What happen to Hornquist?
I know about Ek.
I'd like to see Bellows and Wilde with some tweaking to get it done.
Does Zajac waive and for who, I've got him in Pitt
Mar. 29, 2021 at 8:45 a.m.
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Florida doesn't even consider that trade. Overpayment by the Isles too. Bellows, one of Salo or Wilde, and a 2 WOULD get it done for the Devils but is still an overpay too, isles wouldn't even do that either. Pretty big overvaluing of the Devils pieces here
Mar. 29, 2021 at 8:47 a.m.
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What happen to Hornquist?
I know about Ek.
I'd like to see Bellows and Wilde with some tweaking to get it done.
Does Zajac waive and for who, I've got him in Pitt


He's out for only a week, so no real reason to do this, especially at that price
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Mar. 29, 2021 at 8:58 a.m.
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I did, and it's an huge overpayment. Both of them are.

Tell me what you think is fair
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:00 a.m.
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Florida doesn't even consider that trade. Overpayment by the Isles too. Bellows, one of Salo or Wilde, and a 2 WOULD get it done for the Devils but is still an overpay too, isles wouldn't even do that either. Pretty big overvaluing of the Devils pieces here

Bellows + Wilde + 2nd would be more than what I am asking here. I think most see as Bellows or Wilde plus 2nd.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:03 a.m.
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Palmeri's value is about a 2nd and a 3rd, not Bellows (about 2nd round value), Wilde (about 2nd round value), and another 2nd.

Isles would look elsewhere if the price is more than a 2nd and a 3rd, or Bellows and a 3rd.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:03 a.m.
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What happen to Hornquist?
I know about Ek.
I'd like to see Bellows and Wilde with some tweaking to get it done.
Does Zajac waive and for who, I've got him in Pitt


Nothing major, but currently out
The ‘injury replacement’ would be discounted Subban to replace Ekblad.
And I don’t think we want Bode Wilde. He has looked terrible.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:06 a.m.
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Palmeri's value is about a 2nd and a 3rd, not Bellows (about 2nd round value), Wilde (about 2nd round value), and another 2nd.

Isles would look elsewhere if the price is more than a 2nd and a 3rd, or Bellows and a 3rd.

I didn't propose Bellows, Wilde, 2nd
Why are people saying this?
The deal was Bolduc, Dufour and 2nd
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:07 a.m.
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Bellows + Wilde + 2nd would be more than what I am asking here. I think most see as Bellows or Wilde plus 2nd.


You literally said Bellows, Salo, and a 2nd doesn't get it done with NJ, and that Wilde would need a 1st attached. Both are not true and are massive overpays. Devils are looking at one of Bellows, Salo, or Wilde and a 2nd or 3rd for Palms. Nothing more.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:09 a.m.
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You literally said Bellows, Salo, and a 2nd doesn't get it done with NJ, and Wilde would need a 1st attached. Both are not true and are massive overpays. Devils are looking at one of Bellows, Salo, or Wilde and a 2nd or 3rd for Palms. Nothing more.

Bellows + 2nd
or
Salo + 2nd
or
Wilde + 1st

All separately, not together.
None of those would be enough.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:11 a.m.
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Bellows + 2nd
or
Salo + 2nd
or
Wilde + 1st

All separately, not together.
None of those would be enough.


You arent getting a 1st and Wilde. The other 2 are exactly the return NJ will likely be getting. One of those players and a 2. Palms isn't worth more than that
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:14 a.m.
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Tell me what you think is fair


Well all things considered, Gusev has been disappointing. He's a pending UFA, so he doesn't have much value honestly. NJ will probably get a return close to what BUF got for Staal just recently. A 3rd rounder or so for half retained Gusev is probably the best they can do.

Palmieri's been decent. A pending UFA RW at his 30s...seems like the Zuccarello and Nyquist trades provide us a good comparable there. A 2nd+3rd could be the return, possibly two 2nds if we see a bidding war. But probably 2nd+3rd.

Subban is much harder to say, because he has two years left, and there's no good comparables to it. He's very overpaid, but at $4,5M he might be a serviceable offensive guy, yet I don't necessarily see NJ retaining this much of his contract. Also they would need to add a D-man to fulfill the ExReq rule for the expansion draft.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:14 a.m.
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You arent getting a 1st and Wilde. The other 2 are exactly the return NJ will likely be getting. One of those players and a 2. Palms isn't worth more than that

NJD doesn’t want Wilde. That is the point.
Bellows and Salo are ok.
Can get better elsewhere.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:16 a.m.
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NJD doesn’t want Wilde. That is the point.
Bellows and Salo are ok.
Can get better elsewhere.



Eh thats about what you're gonna get from anybody, especially in a buyers market. A 2nd and B prospect. Devils arent getting a top 3 prospect or a 1st from any team
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:18 a.m.
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Well all things considered, Gusev has been disappointing. He's a pending UFA, so he doesn't have much value honestly. NJ will probably get a return close to what BUF got for Staal just recently. A 3rd rounder or so for half retained Gusev is probably the best they can do.

Palmieri's been decent. A pending UFA RW at his 30s...seems like the Zuccarello and Nyquist trades provide us a good comparable there. A 2nd+3rd could be the return, possibly two 2nds if we see a bidding war. But probably 2nd+3rd.

Subban is much harder to say, because he has two years left, and there's no good comparables to it. He's very overpaid, but at $4,5M he might be a serviceable offensive guy, yet I don't necessarily see NJ retaining this much of his contract. Also they would need to add a D-man to fulfill the ExReq rule for the expansion draft.


Gusev = 3rd
Subban - “serviceable offensive guy” = ??
Taking Stralman = ?

Tippet = ?
Benning = ?
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:19 a.m.
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I don't want Palmieri anyway, but I'm actually completely against trading William Dufour. I think he can be a real player in the NHL.
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Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:22 a.m.
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Eh thats about what you're gonna get from anybody, especially in a buyers market. A 2nd and B prospect. Devils arent getting a top 3 prospect from any team

I never said they would get top-3
Look back at any of my Palmieri trades.
Most are in line with 2nd+B
And there are plenty of teams that have offered better prospects and/or 1sts
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:25 a.m.
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I don't want Palmieri anyway, but I'm actually completely against trading William Dufour. I think he can be a real player in the NHL.


I think that is the right call
(For Islanders)
I was going to propose Bolduc + that little UConn kid.
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:25 a.m.
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Gusev = 3rd
Subban - “serviceable offensive guy” = ??
Taking Stralman = ?

Tippet = ?
Benning = ?


????????????? indeed

Strålman's a decent D for Panthers. He's overpaid, sure, but he has also 1,5 years left and FLA aren't in huge cap trouble. They have no need to actively ship him somewhere.

Tippett's a good young player. Only 22, long-term cost controlled with double the points compared to Gusev.

Benning's still but a prospect. Too early to tell anything about it, but once again, no clear reason for Panthers to trade the guy.

At the end of the day, none of these are assets they should actively give up for Subban. I get the idea of acquiring Subban as a Ekblad replacement, but he absolutely is not worth Tippet+Strålman+Benning+1st. It's a joke.
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Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:27 a.m.
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I never said they would get top-3
Look back at any of my Palmieri trades.
Most are in line with 2nd+B
And there are plenty of teams that have offered better prospects and/or 1sts


Your trade offer has Bolduc in it, who is a top 2 isles prospect and arguably their best prospect. If a deal is made with the isles the return is most likely Bellows or Salo and a 2nd. Hes not worth more than that
 
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