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They aren’t trading Holloway. Strome is an expensive 3C who doesn’t win faceoffs not what they need.

Idk how, They move Neal's contract and get a Top 6 player inexchange that could be very productive with Mcdavid

they aren't gonna move Holloway for that. He's probably the best player in that deal.

Yeah, I have to agree with the others. Holloway is a tremendous asset and while James Neal certainly isn't ideal...his buyout isn't crazy either. I would also think EDM passes. I also think they'd pass even if the 2022 1st was dropped. Holloway has been that good at Wisconsin. BUT if you dropped Holloway (replaced him with a different prospect) then EDM takes this all day IMO.

Soderberg isn't even worth a 3rd or 4th.

Pittsburgh fans have posted his deal before and I'd say he's worth a 3rd to a playoff team, he can win faceoffs, be on the pk and Chicago uses him on the pp, and he's putting up points on the 4th/3rd line for us.

...ok...want to trade another 3rd rounder for Marleau's 8 games a 2 points?

Broberg?

Vancouver are not giving up a top 10 pick for one year left of Loui .

2 years and Chicago could also take on Russell or Beagle but they have to move contracts to resign Hughes and Petterson

I can tell you with certainty it is not going to happen. Canucks can put them in the minors we don't need the cap room . They have about 30 mil in cap space.

I think you need to go a bit lower than the Holloway/Broberg/Bouchard level. I tend to think both sides would prefer picks to prospects. If we're talking just James Neal alone without anything else...I'd say a 1st and 3rd is about the price. Marleau was a 1st rounder, but had a full NMC and was $6M. However, Neal is 2.5 years vs 1, but he will be sent to Rockford so it'll be $4.6M per year.

Oilers would have very limited interest in strome. Doesn’t fit the need right hand shot that kills penalties and wins lots of draws. Ideally oilers would be targeting more of a veteran rental they can walk away from after the playoffs. Holloway broberg and bouch easily not on the table for strome

At the end of the story i think VAN will find enough space, but it might not be the worst thing to sign Petterson/Hughes to longer term deals and avoid the bridge deals. Caprfiendly has VAN at $25M in space, but that's also only 8 forwards, 2 dmen, 1 goalie. Petterson/Hughes/Demko will eat into a large portion of that $25M and there's still 6 guys to sign on top of those 3. There's not THAT much space.

I think Soderberg should be their target if they can't get Glendenning. He's their #1 target IMO.

Marleau costed a first because he had to be bought out as part of the deal that’s not the case with any Neal trade actually getting a player instead of just dead cap space very different situation shouldn’t use as comparable.

Truthfully I think a bridge deal is fine right now. I don't like long term deals for most players. Look at Eichel Skinner and dozens others signed to high long term deals. I am not a fan of them . Sign for three years

Exactly. That GM is gone.

Yeah, I mentioned the NMC...thus made it a full $6M hit for that year because it needed to be a pre-arranged buy out. I 100% understand and agree that's a factor. The # of years is also a factor. It's not like i asked for 2.5x the price of a 1st either.

Considering the price for Eric Staal with salary retained, this guy is not getting that this season. I don't care if other Pittsburgh fans posted that.

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Don't need another Mark Jankowski.

Eichel isn't a bad deal IMO. Also...CAR has done REALLY well with their long term deals. I also, think TOR "should" have been ok with their long term deals, but COVID keeping the cap ceiling still is what totally screwed them.

To be honest...with ESPN's contract with the NHL...Right now is the BEST time to offer the long term deal. The cap will indeed go up after these guys finish their bridge, BUT they're going to ask for ALOT more too. I think you can sign both these guys to "reasonable" 8 year deals and then let the ESPN deal kick in and get UFAs. It's a bit of a risk, but I would consider it a calculated risk that has more reward at the end of their deals than traditional long term deals.

***EDIT*** Look at Timo Meier and Alex Debrincat...Their qualifing offers at the end of the bridge deals are north of $9M...

Now do Marleau's 8 games and 2 points...3rd rounders get sent out like they're free at the TDL.

Now look at what Eric Staal (a much better player) just went for with salary retention. All the pre pandemic stuff is pretty irrelevant. Teams don't have much cap space, many aren't willing to spend more real dollars, more teams are looking to sell than looking to buy.

And again, the crazy dude who gave up a third for Marleau is gone and replaced by people who explicitly said they wouldn't be giving away picks like candy anymore.

I truly like this convo. I hope I'm not coming across mean. Went back and re-read a few things, apologies if I am.

I agree with you. Staal still costs $1.625M even after retention. The $1M cap hit might drive up the price for a team up against the cap. I'm not saying it HAS to be PIT that makes the trade. I do think he'll get a 3rd though.