A little high for Beniers, no?

I don't like that St. Louis trade. The value doesn't feel bad, I just don't see how it moves the needle forward enough on the rebuild to part with Mantha. Sure, Dunn is a good piece and he's young enough to get better, but are we CONVINCED he's a legit #1 defenseman? I just don't see the point in giving up Mantha for a high cost player, when we could get higher ceiling prospects and picks that might turn into way more. Sure, they might not pan out as well, but in a rebuild, I'd rather have the lotto ticket(s).

Also, I'm not even going to touch those FA signings...

I understand your view. To be honest I just dont see Mantha being that good. Look at his production. It is just not that great. He has great potential but i dont think Detroit is good fit for him. And regarding Dunn i think there are plenty of LHD in the pipe that can become #1 d-man. Detroit is stacked at LHD in the pipe, but bringing him in now will also ease the transition for some of the prospects.

Haha, i know it is not very likely scenario. But if it was to happen i think this is a very interesting team

Id be shocked to see them spend anything in free agency in the offseason.

No, he’ll go top 5 as he’s the top center in the draft and has a great floor.


I can understand that not everyone likes Mo but how does Dunn ease the transition as he’s never carried the load. Why not try and get a guy like Hammer? I also don’t think we have a 1LD in our pipeline currently. Johansson looks good but most predict him as a 2LD, Wallinder is a extremely raw, McIsaac’s shoulders are a major concern plus he doesn’t have the offensive upside for top pairing, and Cholowski’s defensive game leaves a lot desired. Comparing Mo’s production this year isn’t a great indication as Blashill changed into low event hockey which means less scoring chances plus they haven’t played for an extensive amount of time.

You don't give up a potential 40 goal scorer for someone to bridge the gap. Mantha started slow but has been on a tear for the last 3 weeks and his advanced stats are off the charts in that time. Regardless of him being a fit here or not, we could get a better return if we decide to trade him.

Well i think we just value Mantha very different and i understand that he is valued very high for some still. Let’s agree to disagree.

Considering that he's 26, has health issues and his career high is 25G and 48P, I think that's a fair return. Maybe it gets up to Dunn and 2nd but not much more than that.

I said in my first reply that the value was fair. It's not about that, it's about what is best for the rebuild and taking a gamble on Mantha's ceiling is worth more than that return to the rebuild, specifically. If they decide to move Mantha, I would rather they move him for futures, than high cost returns, such as Dunn. An Isles fan posted an offer of Salo, Bellows and a 1st that I thought made a lot more sense if we were going to move him.

VAN will buy out Eriksson before packaging a 1st to rid the contract, especially if there’s a chance the pick could be a lottery pick.

VAN isn't making the playoffs this year, or likely next, and they didn’t have a 1st or 2nd last year, so the need the prospects and future ECL’s.

A buyout at the end of this season would cost VAN 4mil cap penalty this season and 1 next.

If the wings were ever offered that I'd jump on it, considering that it will be a later 1st. I don't know for sure but I think that Mantha wants to move on.

What health issues? He’s broken a finger & rib from fighting/body slammed but nothing with his knee/back.

I thought he had a back issue in the past, my mistake.

The only injury history I’m worried about for current young-ish Detroit players is Fabbri’s knees.