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SJ listening on Labanc offers - open discussion

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Team: 2020-21 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 8, 2021
Published: Apr. 8, 2021
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per Sheng Peng article

Labanc would be moved for the right price - which I would assume would be higher than what Palmieri returned. Ill assume Doug is looking for a prospect of value and a pick - while willing to help a team offload a contract.
Trades
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SJS
    Just going to look at a bunch of options - starting with Florida who just made themselves have around 18million in deadline cap space.
    FLA
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    SJS
    1. Heponiemi, Aleksi
    2. 2021 1st round pick (FLA)
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      Kevin Labanc
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      1. Bellows, Kieffer
      2. Komarov, Leo
      3. 2021 3rd round pick (NYI)
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      1. 2021 6th round pick (SJS)
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      Kevin Labanc
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      1. Brown, Logan
      2. 2021 2nd round pick (SJS)
      3. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
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      This trade is an idea but very mixed for both teams. Brown hasn't really gotten a shot at the NHL but his value has dropped during all this time as he is now 23 and nothing really has happened. Both Ottawa wants a good return for Brown but also SJ could see Brown as little value due to his handling.
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        Kevin Labanc
        2021 6th round pick (SJS)
        5.
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        1. Reimer, James
        2. Suzuki, Ryan
        3. 2021 3rd round pick (CAR)
        CAR
          Kevin Labanc
          2021 6th round pick (SJS)
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:18 p.m.
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          EklundCelebriniSmith
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          Looking to hear other opinions - trades are just ideas.

          Before commenting realize - Wilson stated for the RIGHT PRICE.

          Meaning the price would have to make the Sharks accept trading Labanc. Regardless of arguing or comparisons: the price would have to be fitting for a young top 6 winger. So for example: a low tier prospect and a 2nd wouldn’t get a deal done. So looking to discuss what deals/ teams would be in on Labanc and if the evaluations are acceptable for the Sharks then if the other teams would be willing to part with those pieces/ similar value pieces.

          I’d think Carolina or Ottawa would actually be the best fits IMO. But both teams don’t necessarily need Labanc.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:19 p.m.
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          Sharks be like: haha left handed forwards go brrrrr
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:20 p.m.
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          Not sure the Isles give up a 1st 3 years in a row. But that’s very fair value in my opinion.
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:20 p.m.
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          Morgan Frost and a pick. Philly needs to go younger from Voracek and JVR. And SJ is kind of rebuilding
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:20 p.m.
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          Including a first is legitimate insanity.
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:21 p.m.
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          Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
          Sharks be like: haha left handed forwards go brrrrr


          Lmao yeah it’s a little tough, especially on draws.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:21 p.m.
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          Edited Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:35 p.m.
          Quoting: csick
          Morgan Frost and a pick. Philly needs to go younger from Voracek and JVR. And SJ is kind of rebuilding


          Is Philly willing to pay for wingers tho? I thought they needed better D? I could be wrong but I thought that was the latest.

          Frost as a starter is definitely worth hearing
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:22 p.m.
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          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          Including a first is legitimate insanity.


          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          Including a first is legitimate insanity.


          With exactly which team?

          Because Heponiemi is no where near the same value that his name used to hold. I mean maybe subjectively you can believe that but he has not had the same trajectory that he was believed to have.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:23 p.m.
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          I've heard that the only way he is traded is an overpayment, so I would be looking at a return similar to the Kapanen trade at least.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:24 p.m.
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          Quoting: MJC13
          I've heard that the only way he is traded is an overpayment, so I would be looking at a return similar to the Kapanen trade at least.


          I believe all the offers above are fair - each one would definitely catch my attention as a GM but I agree with what you’re saying exactly. But suggesting overpays makes all comments pretty pointless and annoying. So I went with most fair offers to not be getting 20 comments from people missing the point.
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:24 p.m.
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          Devils could be interested as replacement for Palmieri
          But doubt picks would be in play
          Would probably have to be a few Boqvists and Merkleys
          (that's all I got)
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:27 p.m.
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          Quoting: NHLfan10506
          Devils could be interested as replacement for Palmieri
          But doubt picks would be in play
          Would probably have to be a few Boqvists and Merkleys
          (that's all I got)


          I tried New Jersey but yeah I agree with you. They don’t really need to part with any quality picks and then the prospects they have remaining don’t really entice me. I’d love to see Kuokannen and others but they all are likely to never be involved because New Jersey is insanely young and they easily can wait and see where their development goes. I just don’t think overpaying for Labanc is good for NJD so I didn’t include them. They’re already on a good path.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:36 p.m.
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          Quoting: NHLfan10506
          Devils could be interested as replacement for Palmieri
          But doubt picks would be in play
          Would probably have to be a few Boqvists and Merkleys
          (that's all I got)


          Quite a few Boqvists, since Merkley holds 0 value.
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:37 p.m.
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          Quoting: yikes
          Is Philly willing to pay for wingers tho? I thought they needed better D? I could be wrong but I thought that was the latest.

          Frost as a starter is definitely worth hearing


          Just because they need a D , doesn’t mean they also shouldn’t look to improve and get younger on the offensive side
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:38 p.m.
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          Quoting: Klara
          Quite a few Boqvists, since Merkley holds 0 value.


          Jesper Boqvists definitely has value but he hasn’t been given a role to thrive in yet. I’d think he doesn’t have as much value as he used to maybe getting better additional assets in a deal would happen but I do like him a lot personally. He’s got some real upside.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:40 p.m.
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          Quoting: csick
          Just because they need a D , doesn’t mean they also shouldn’t look to improve and get younger on the offensive side


          Very True - and they do have York coming soon. They’ll definitely be praying for Seattle to help.
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          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:40 p.m.
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          Quoting: yikes
          With exactly which team?

          Because Heponiemi is no where near the same value that his name used to hold. I mean maybe subjectively you can believe that but he has not had the same trajectory that he was believed to have.


          Any team. Labanc isn’t getting anything close to a first.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:42 p.m.
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          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          Any team. Labanc isn’t getting anything close to a first.


          Yeah true! I guess the worse player Debrusk is worth four firsts when compared to my LUDICROUS ask for Labanc.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:46 p.m.
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          Yeah true! I guess the worse player Debrusk is worth four firsts when compared to my LUDICROUS ask for Labanc.


          What does debrusk have to do with this? Labanc is a mediocre player who had one kinda okay season. That’s not getting a first.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:48 p.m.
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          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          What does debrusk have to do with this? Labanc is a mediocre player who had one kinda okay season. That’s not getting a first.


          Okay so what’s Debrusk worth than - because it’ll have a lot to do with your take on Labancs value.

          Because Labanc isn’t a mediocre player and I’ll assume you haven’t watched 90% of Sharks games. I’d be glad to be told I’m wrong but I’ll assume you haven’t as I a Sharks fan barely found it was worth it earlier this year.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:51 p.m.
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          Quoting: yikes
          Very True - and they do have York coming soon. They’ll definitely be praying for Seattle to help.


          Imo:
          Provorov-Myers
          Sanheim-XXX
          York-Braun

          They need a guy like Connor Murphy next to Sanheim
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:51 p.m.
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          Okay so what’s Debrusk worth than - because it’ll have a lot to do with your take on Labancs value.

          Because Labanc isn’t a mediocre player and I’ll assume you haven’t watched 90% of Sharks games. I’d be glad to be told I’m wrong but I’ll assume you haven’t as I a Sharks fan barely found it was worth it earlier this year.


          Why does debrusk have anything to do with this?
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:56 p.m.
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          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          Why does debrusk have anything to do with this?


          Answer the question- because I wanna know if it’s even worth the time to try and have a discussion. Because I’m completely willing to have a convo about the value even if we disagree.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 6:59 p.m.
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          You say that you assume San Jose is looking for a prospect of value and a pick, only problem with that is that LeBanc is overpaid. He's a 40-50 point guy making almost $5M in a flat cap and pandemic world. No team is gonna wanna give up a top prospect or a 1st rounder for him. Because of that, the Florida and Carolina deals make no sense whatsoever.
          Apr. 8, 2021 at 7:04 p.m.
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          Quoting: TrueCanuck
          You say that you assume San Jose is looking for a prospect of value and a pick, only problem with that is that LeBanc is overpaid. He's a 40-50 point guy making almost $5M in a flat cap and pandemic world. No team is gonna wanna give up a top prospect or a 1st rounder for him. Because of that, the Florida and Carolina deals make no sense whatsoever.


          I never said top prospect. As all the suggested trades above are not top prospects and more like projects. Hepo is nowhere near a top prospect for FLA, similarly for Brown. Bellows is mixed. Suzuki is the only guy who’s too high value. Which as I just said, he’s too high value so I agree it’s a bit much for Carolina.

          Additionally I’m basing it off of Wilson’s ask as the Sharks don’t need to move Labanc. It’s just for sake of conversation; not arguing hypotheticals of if and buts. Wilson’s listening on offers; and discussing ones that would make the Sharks move Labanc is what I’ve suggested. If you don’t think he’s worth it sure but I disagree and think he is worth it as he’s better than Kapanen and a good top6 winger and here I’ve asked less than the pens overpay
           
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