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Team: 2020-21 Washington Capitals
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 10, 2021
Published: Apr. 10, 2021
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  1. Laine, Patrik ($1,500,000 retained)
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Apr. 10, 2021 at 9:12 p.m.
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I wouldn't do that for Laine personally
I'd swap Vrana with one your good prospects
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Apr. 10, 2021 at 9:44 p.m.
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Just curious how you resign him.
Apr. 10, 2021 at 9:46 p.m.
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Just curious how you resign him.


Pay Seattle to take Oshie contract is the best guess
Apr. 10, 2021 at 9:58 p.m.
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Pay Seattle to take Oshie contract is the best guess


That'd be expensive, Oshie is still under contract for a long time.
Apr. 10, 2021 at 10:05 p.m.
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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
That'd be expensive, Oshie is still under contract for a long time.


Oshie is from WA, I’m sure he would be an instant favorite there.

And TBH, I’m inclined to like this from CBJ’s perspective. Even with Torts likely gone next year, I’m just not really here for whatever contract Laine is likely going to get next.
Apr. 10, 2021 at 10:07 p.m.
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Quoting: dopplsan
Oshie is from WA, I’m sure he would be an instant favorite there.

And TBH, I’m inclined to like this from CBJ’s perspective. Even with Torts likely gone next year, I’m just not really here for whatever contract Laine is likely going to get next.


I guess, but if I'm Seattle I want a 1st plus to take that contract. Dude is still under contract for 4 years after this one and is already past 30.
Apr. 10, 2021 at 10:14 p.m.
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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
I guess, but if I'm Seattle I want a 1st plus to take that contract. Dude is still under contract for 4 years after this one and is already past 30.


Oh mos def...didn’t mean to imply they would take him for pennies on the dollar, just that they’d like him 😂
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Apr. 10, 2021 at 10:23 p.m.
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Oshie is from WA, I’m sure he would be an instant favorite there.

And TBH, I’m inclined to like this from CBJ’s perspective. Even with Torts likely gone next year, I’m just not really here for whatever contract Laine is likely going to get next.

I could potentially live with it, but I just don't like the idea of swapping out potential quality for quantity, seeing as though we're overstuffed with quantity and lack for quality.
Apr. 10, 2021 at 10:40 p.m.
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I think Laine would gel well with Washington’s locker room so I’d be all for it.
Apr. 11, 2021 at 8:44 a.m.
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Oh mos def...didn’t mean to imply they would take him for pennies on the dollar, just that they’d like him 😂


Oshie's tied for 60th in points in the NHL today with William Nylander, Roope Hintz, Tyler Toffoli, Clayton Keller, and Zach Hyman. He's on pace for a 62 point season, if there were 82 games. He's also the best faceoff guy in the Caps' top-six, and he plays both special teams. His remaining salary averages $4.9M/year, so even if he slips to 40-50 points, it's fairly reasonable, to a team with cap space that wants a leader.

Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
Just curious how you resign him.


If the Caps can convince any team to give Oshie and his 4.9M remaining average salary a shot at 5.75M cap hit, then after trading Vrana and Hagelin, they have more than enough cap space for Laine's QO, provided Ovechkin and Samsonov don't get much of a raise. But the above trade is a loss for Washington.

Quoting: Beetlejuice
I wouldn't do that for Laine personally
I'd swap Vrana with one your good prospects


Since the 2018 offseason. Vrana has scored 41% more even strength goals than Laine. Vrana has seven times as many even strength playoff points as Laine, seven to one, career. He's played more games, but not seven times more games. Laine's QO is 166% higher than Vrana's. Under a flat cap, Vrana for Laine is confusing.

Van Riemsdyk and Hagelin are pretty good at defense and penalty killing and have won Stanley Cups in Chicago and Pittsburgh. They have some trade value. Maybe not a lot, but some. I mean, Hagelin's corsi and points/60 are the same as Foligno's this year, and Jackets fans want a 1st for Foligno at twice Hagelin's cap hit. So Hagelin alone should be worth more than a 1st to Columbus? I agree. Take Vrana out of this and throw in Panik or Oshie.

Lapierre is arguably the Caps' best prospect, since he was widely hyped as a top-10 guy for last year's draft until a scary neck injury let him fall to wherever the Caps picked. This year he came back and played his team's full season, scoring 1.5 points per game. He's back on track to be a top six center and the main piece in a Laine trade, along with a 1st and a roster player or two.

Vrana for Laine is fair. Hagelin, Lapierre, and a 1st for Laine is fair. This is a fair trade for two Laines. Does Columbus have another one?
Apr. 11, 2021 at 10:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Eli
Oshie's tied for 60th in points in the NHL today with William Nylander, Roope Hintz, Tyler Toffoli, Clayton Keller, and Zach Hyman. He's on pace for a 62 point season, if there were 82 games. He's also the best faceoff guy in the Caps' top-six, and he plays both special teams. His remaining salary averages $4.9M/year, so even if he slips to 40-50 points, it's fairly reasonable, to a team with cap space that wants a leader.



If the Caps can convince any team to give Oshie and his 4.9M remaining average salary a shot at 5.75M cap hit, then after trading Vrana and Hagelin, they have more than enough cap space for Laine's QO, provided Ovechkin and Samsonov don't get much of a raise. But the above trade is a loss for Washington.



Since the 2018 offseason. Vrana has scored 41% more even strength goals than Laine. Vrana has seven times as many even strength playoff points as Laine, seven to one, career. He's played more games, but not seven times more games. Laine's QO is 166% higher than Vrana's. Under a flat cap, Vrana for Laine is confusing.

Van Riemsdyk and Hagelin are pretty good at defense and penalty killing and have won Stanley Cups in Chicago and Pittsburgh. They have some trade value. Maybe not a lot, but some. I mean, Hagelin's corsi and points/60 are the same as Foligno's this year, and Jackets fans want a 1st for Foligno at twice Hagelin's cap hit. So Hagelin alone should be worth more than a 1st to Columbus? I agree. Take Vrana out of this and throw in Panik or Oshie.

Lapierre is arguably the Caps' best prospect, since he was widely hyped as a top-10 guy for last year's draft until a scary neck injury let him fall to wherever the Caps picked. This year he came back and played his team's full season, scoring 1.5 points per game. He's back on track to be a top six center and the main piece in a Laine trade, along with a 1st and a roster player or two.

Vrana for Laine is fair. Hagelin, Lapierre, and a 1st for Laine is fair. This is a fair trade for two Laines. Does Columbus have another one?


Again, I’d take this trade for Laine, FWIW.

And re: Oshie, it’s not that he isn’t productive right now, it’s that he’s 34 and signed for five more seasons. If I’m SEA, I’d love to have him, but practically, my concern isn’t his productivity as a 34 year old, it’s his productivity as a 37, 38, and 39 year old. He might be tied for 60th in points, but even those guys you cited are all, what, on average a decade younger than him?

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like CBJ bribing VGK to take Clarkson, but I’m not certain SEA decides to do WSH a favor and just pluck Oshie without something coming back, probably.
Apr. 11, 2021 at 10:51 a.m.
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Again, I’d take this trade for Laine, FWIW.

And re: Oshie, it’s not that he isn’t productive right now, it’s that he’s 34 and signed for five more seasons. If I’m SEA, I’d love to have him, but practically, my concern isn’t his productivity as a 34 year old, it’s his productivity as a 37, 38, and 39 year old. He might be tied for 60th in points, but even those guys you cited are all, what, on average a decade younger than him?

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like CBJ bribing VGK to take Clarkson, but I’m not certain SEA decides to do WSH a favor and just pluck Oshie without something coming back, probably.



As far as averages, sure. You're right. But Ron Francis is making the call. Can you name a player who will be available in the expansion draft whose game more closely resembles Ron Francis as a hockey player?

If anyone knows that some guys stay effective at both ends of the ice until they're 40, that's the guy.

If Pittsburgh had worried about Francis being in his '30s, would John Cullen and Zarley Zalapski have carried them to any championships?
Apr. 11, 2021 at 12:55 p.m.
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As far as averages, sure. You're right. But Ron Francis is making the call. Can you name a player who will be available in the expansion draft whose game more closely resembles Ron Francis as a hockey player?

If anyone knows that some guys stay effective at both ends of the ice until they're 40, that's the guy.

If Pittsburgh had worried about Francis being in his '30s, would John Cullen and Zarley Zalapski have carried them to any championships?


If my GM is constructing my roster based on what worked for NHL teams in the 80’s and 90’s, I’m worried.
Apr. 11, 2021 at 1:10 p.m.
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If my GM is constructing my roster based on what worked for NHL teams in the 90’s, I’m worried.


Who's the guy Oshie's age that Dallas signed for a bigger cap hit and similar term, right before their trip to the Finals?
Apr. 11, 2021 at 2:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
Who's the guy Oshie's age that Dallas signed for a bigger cap hit and similar term, right before their trip to the Finals?


...one year left on Pavelski’s contract is not the same as five years left on Oshie’s. And I mean, yeah, you’re talking about a high gamble to sign a player that age to a contract like that. It’s definitely the exception rather than the rule.

Again, it’s not saying Oshie is awful or has no chance of adding value on this contract. It’s just that the risk of lost value rises each season; being contract bound to that risk for 1-3 years is easier to justify than 5.

I’m just saying SEA doesn’t have incentive to give up serious assets for Oshie.
Apr. 11, 2021 at 2:11 p.m.
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...one year left on Pavelski’s contract is not the same as five years left on Oshie’s. And I mean, yeah, you’re talking about a high gamble to sign a player that age to a contract like that. It’s definitely the exception rather than the rule.

Again, it’s not saying Oshie is awful or has no chance of adding value on this contract. It’s just that the risk of lost value rises each season; being contract bound to that risk for 1-3 years is easier to justify than 5.

I’m just saying SEA doesn’t have incentive to give up serious assets for Oshie.


Wait. You thought someone said Seattle would give up something to get Oshie? No. I just think they'd claim in in the expansion draft over Jensen or Schultz who have decent offense this year but usually don't, and over Vanecek who has a lot of wins behind a team with a great offense but who is otherwise really unproven.
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Apr. 11, 2021 at 2:18 p.m.
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Wait. You thought someone said Seattle would give up something to get Oshie? No. I just think they'd claim in in the expansion draft over Jensen or Schultz who have decent offense this year but usually don't, and over Vanecek who has a lot of wins behind a team with a great offense but who is otherwise really unproven.


Yeah man, I think that’s our miscommunication here haha - I was reacting to Beetlejuice’s comment up there about having to pay SEA to take his contract. Simply a question of how much WAS would have to “pay,” if at all, I guess.
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Apr. 11, 2021 at 2:24 p.m.
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Yeah man, I think that’s our miscommunication here haha - I was reacting to Beetlejuice’s comment up there about having to pay SEA to take his contract. Simply a question of how much WAS would have to “pay,” if at all, I guess.


Yep. That makes sense. Pavelski and Oshie are each signed through age 38. After this year, Oshie has four years left, at an average salary of 4.9M. Pavelski's contract, I think, was not even front-loaded, because he didn't want to be taken in expansion. He's still outscoring Oshie, though, at 37, so I can't knock it.

I will criticize Zuccarello's contract though. When a guy's whole game is based on foot speed, he's not going to age well, and that was obvious before he signed.

...and I could see the Caps paying all of the above for Laine if the roster player involved is Oshie rather than Vrana, even though Oshie is currently outscoring Laine. He won't next year, so a 1st and a future top six center is reasonable. Columbus then passes Oshie forward to Seattle, and WSH is forced to trade Vrana elsewhere over the offseason to make the cap work, unless Ovechkin doesn't want to stick around. But meanwhile, Tortorella plays Oshie at #1C between Bjorkstrand and Atkinson, and they just might make the playoffs. I can dream, right? smile
 
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