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Created by: bunzy1034
Initial Creation Date: Apr 11, 2021
Published: Apr 11 at 4:44
Team: 2020-21 Winnipeg Jets
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don't have to give up any assets to upgrade on D, put in a claim for Mete, or Vatanen.
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  1. Mete, Victor
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    UFA - 6
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    Scheifele, Mark
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    NTC
    UFA - 4
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    Copp, Andrew
    $2,280,000
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    RFA - 1
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    Stastny, Paul
    $6,500,000
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    UFA - 1
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    Dubois, Pierre-Luc
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    RFA - 2
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    Ehlers, Nikolaj
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    UFA - 5
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    Perreault, Mathieu
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    NTC
    UFA - 1
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    Lowry, Adam
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    UFA - 1
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    Appleton, Mason
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    RFA - 2
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    Harkins, Jansen
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    RFA - 2
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    Thompson, Nate
    $750,000
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    UFA - 1
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    Lewis, Trevor
    $750,000
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    UFA - 1
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    Morrissey, Joshua
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    DeMelo, Dylan
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    UFA - 4
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    Hellebuyck, Connor
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    RFA - 1
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    Pionk, Neal
    $3,000,000
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    RFA - 1
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    Brossoit, Laurent
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    UFA - 1
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    Stanley, Logan
    $863,333
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    RFA - 1
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    Poolman, Tucker
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    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    Forbort, Derek
    $1,000,000
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    UFA - 1
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    Beaulieu, Nathan
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    Niku, Sami
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    Vesalainen, Kristian
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    Heinola, Ville
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    RFA - 3
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    Luoto, Joona
    $741,667 ($0)
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    RFA - 2
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    Nogier, Nelson
    $725,000 ($0)
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    RFA - 2
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    Toninato, Dominic
    $700,000 ($0)
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    UFA - 1
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    Comrie, Eric
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    Apr 11 at 4:47
    #1
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    Mete is claimed before he gets to us, Vatanen though might be an interesting option. A team like Buffalo will snag mete. Plus wtf are you doing putting mete beside pionk. That is just bad.... that pairing would get absolutely crushed. Like they’d get ran over and dominated down low... also demelo on first pairing?? That’s just a mistake
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    Apr 11 at 4:48
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    Quoting: tsyls
    Mete is claimed before he gets to us, Vatanen though might be an interesting option. A team like Buffalo will snag mete. Plus wtf are you doing putting mete beside pionk. That is just bad.... that pairing would get absolutely crushed.


    I don't care about their size I care about their results. You're right though Mete probably doesn't even make it to us. Vatanen would also be a good free option.
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    Apr 11 at 4:49
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    Quoting: bunzy1034
    I don't care about their size I care about their results. You're right though Mete probably doesn't even make it to us. Vatanen would also be a good free option.


    The results would be so bad, like I can already see it, they’d get ran over.

    But yes, Vatanen would be a nice free option.
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    Apr 11 at 4:53
    #4
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    Vatanen sure but I'd pass on Mete, he's way too small and yes size matters especially on defense.
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    Apr 11 at 4:54
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    Quoting: tsyls
    The results would be so bad, like I can already see it, they’d get ran over.

    But yes, Vatanen would be a nice free option.


    I mean that isn't necessarily true.. It's how the players play within the system. Plus Jmo and Demelo works and Stanley and Poolman was relatively successful as a 3rd pairing. For reference the Avalanche probably have the best blue line the NHL this year. They put Makar and Girard together at times, 2 guys below 6 feet. They also really only have 1 giant in Graves as part of their regular rotation and they seem to be doing more than fine.
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    Apr 11 at 4:55
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Vatanen sure but I'd pass on Mete, he's way too small and yes size matters especially on defense.

    The Avs defence is on the smaller side, and its probably the best in the league this year. Size really doesn't matter in the game anymore. If that was the case Tyler Myers would be the best in the league and Sam Girard would be awful.
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    Apr 11 at 4:58
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    Quoting: bunzy1034
    The Ads defence is on the smaller side, and its probably the best in the league this year. Size really doesn't matter in the game anymore. If that was the case Tyler Myers would be the best in the league and Sam Girard would be awful.


    Wait until they hit playoffs and teams start grinding them out, they will get tired very very quickly.
    Apr 11 at 5:00
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    Quoting: tsyls
    Wait until they hit playoffs and teams start grinding them out, they will get tired very very quickly.


    They won't be able to pound them because guys like Makar and Girard break out the puck before they can even crank them. This is why Erik Karlsson was the best defenceman in the world for like 5 years, it wasn't because of his size.
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    Apr 11 at 5:05
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    Quoting: bunzy1034
    The Avs defence is on the smaller side, and its probably the best in the league this year. Size really doesn't matter in the game anymore. If that was the case Tyler Myers would be the best in the league and Sam Girard would be awful.


    Yet last year's playoffs the Avs really missed E.Johnson and Girard was getting pushed around, the Jets defense was getting run through the boards by Calgary, Tampa's D core was big and sturdy, one or two smallish dmen are fine but more then that is too many and Mete is really small, Jets don't need anymore runty dmen imo.
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    Apr 11 at 5:07
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    It’s not like they’re bad players, but they’re just not difference makers. I just don’t want them to pick up meh players. If I’m Chevy, I’m doing all that I can to take a big swing for the backend (as long as Heinola isn’t involved). Really go for, this is the best chance they’ve had in a while.
    Apr 11 at 5:14
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    Also why bother claiming Mete when Niku is collecting dust? Is Mete really any better then Niku? I don't think so, Niku was great when he was in the lineup the last time for those few games, if we really need a smallish puck moving dman why not just insert him into the lineup?
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    Apr 11 at 5:14
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    Quoting: hwjw
    It’s not like they’re bad players, but they’re just not difference makers. I just don’t want them to pick up meh players. If I’m Chevy, I’m doing all that I can to take a big swing for the backend (as long as Heinola isn’t involved). Really go for, this is the best chance they’ve had in a while.


    The only guy was Ekholm and Chevy walked away from that price and rightfully so
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    Apr 11 at 5:15
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Also why bother claiming Mete when Niku is collecting dust? Is Mete really any better then Niku? I don't think so, Niku was great when he was in the lineup the last time for those few games, if we really need a smallish puck moving dman why not just insert him into the lineup?


    Yes Mette is a lot better than Niku, Niku is pretty much useless defensively and has still been bad offensively. Mete is great at breaking the puck out of the zone.
    Apr 11 at 5:18
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Yet last year's playoffs the Avs really missed E.Johnson and Girard was getting pushed around, the Jets defense was getting run through the boards by Calgary, Tampa's D core was big and sturdy, one or two smallish dmen are fine but more then that is too many and Mete is really small, Jets don't need anymore runty dmen imo.


    Also their is a big difference between guys like Hedman and Cernak compared to Forbort lol
    Apr 11 at 5:20
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    Edited Apr 11 at 5:40
    Quoting: bunzy1034
    Yes Mette is a lot better than Niku, Niku is pretty much useless defensively and has still been bad offensively. Mete is great at breaking the puck out of the zone.


    Niku was great at moving the puck the last time he was in the lineup, was often the only dman who could make a damn pass.
    Apr 11 at 5:21
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    Quoting: bunzy1034
    Also their is a big difference between guys like Hedman and Cernak compared to Forbort lol


    Yes no doubt but that D core was big, hell they got mileage out of Bogo and Luke Schenn, if they had a Mete as an option I doubt he plays over either of those two.
    Apr 11 at 5:22
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Yes no doubt but that D core was big, hell they got mileage out of Bogo and Luke Schenn, if they had a Mete as an option of doubt he plays over either of those two.


    Luke Schenn and Bogo only played because of injuries, Vasilevski was good in the playoffs and their depth at forward is ridiculous. No one is beating that. I do understand what you're getting at, I just think a useful player is a useful player personally, I don't dwell on size that much.
    Apr 11 at 5:24
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    Quoting: bunzy1034
    They won't be able to pound them because guys like Makar and Girard break out the puck before they can even crank them. This is why Erik Karlsson was the best defenceman in the world for like 5 years, it wasn't because of his size.


    I don’t disagree, but I also think that you can only rely on that being true for so long.
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    Apr 11 at 5:32
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    Quoting: bunzy1034
    Luke Schenn and Bogo only played because of injuries, Vasilevski was good in the playoffs and their depth at forward is ridiculous. No one is beating that. I do understand what you're getting at, I just think a useful player is a useful player personally, I don't dwell on size that much.


    Yes I know but as I said if Mete was one of their options on defense he probably doesn't see a game.
    Look at the D core's of the last few cup winners, they weren't a bunch of runts, after seeing Morrissey, DeMelo and Pionk get run over by Calgary and the much maligned Kulikov was are best dman in that series cause he could actually stand up to the physical play and push back I don't see how we can't identify that size matters especially for dmen in the playoffs.
    There's plenty of useful players out there but I don't see the need for yet another small LHD.
    Still think R.Murray would be the best option and he shouldn't cost a lot to acquire.
     
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