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Sabres took a MASSIVE L

Created by: Ramus_Dahlin44
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 12, 2021
Published: Apr. 12, 2021
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Team Explanation
Here to remind u all Foligno some how fetched 1 first for less production than Taylor Hall
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Eric Staal: $1,625,000 (50%)
  • Taylor Hall: $4,000,000 (50%)
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23$81,500,000$77,745,791$1,487,500$4,337,500$3,754,209
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Skinner, Jeff
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Eakin, Cody
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Okposo, Kyle
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Hall, Taylor
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Thompson, Tage
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Reinhart, Sam
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Olofsson, Victor
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Ruotsalainen, Arttu
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Rieder, Tobias
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Cozens, Dylan
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Mittelstadt, Casey
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Bryson, Jacob
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Miller, Colin
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Irwin, Matt
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Jokiharju, Henri
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Tokarski, Dustin
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Eichel, Jack
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McCabe, Jake
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Borgen, William
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Lazar, Curtis
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Houser, Michael
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Dea, Jean-Sébastien
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Smith, C.J.
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Davidson, Brandon
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:43 a.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
how fast u think we hear he and marchand got into a locker room brawl?

to be real this is an intriguing deal but who won and lost is yet to be decided


Boston won this in landslide sabres fleeced hard
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:45 a.m.
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Quoting: Ramus_Dahlin44
U ever look at analytics?


All the analytics in the world don’t mean a thing if the production isn’t there.

Don’t need to defend him, he’s not your problem anymore. Be thankful.
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:45 a.m.
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Quoting: Ramus_Dahlin44
Boston won this in landslide sabres fleeced hard


i mean if Hall does not improve scoring wise or play wise with the bruins really I would say Buffalo won by getting rid of him. We shall wait and see
Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:49 a.m.
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All the analytics in the world don’t mean a thing if the production isn’t there.

Don’t need to defend him, he’s not your problem anymore. Be thankful.


Maybe if u took the time to look at the analytics u would know that his play has been fine his finishing is whats been the problem.
Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:53 a.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
how fast u think we hear he and marchand got into a locker room brawl?

to be real this is an intriguing deal but who won and lost is yet to be decided


Foligno is only good defensively other then that be doesnt bring a whole lot offensively
Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Ramus_Dahlin44
Maybe if u took the time to look at the analytics u would know that his play has been fine his finishing is whats been the problem.


Finishing is all that matters. 👍🏻
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:54 a.m.
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Called it months ago. Hall wont get a 1st rounder, there you go, I was right. Sabres fans, your team stench far outweighs whatever pedigree a player can have. Enjoy more pain
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:56 a.m.
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i'll trade u Cody Ceci, a 3rd, and Jankowski for Dahlin please and thank you
Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:56 a.m.
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Halls production has dropped and he has proven to be a locker room cancer. Buffalo is lucky that they got that return.


And I bet Adams is first in line with the biggest and longest contract offer on July 1st, because he learned nothing
Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:57 a.m.
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Quoting: Ramus_Dahlin44
The whole locker room cancer stuff is just made up rumors from fans to create drama because 99% of time they never is any drama.


Ryan O'Reilly would disagree. Buffalo killed his love of hockey. Buffalo's stench is far reaching
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:57 a.m.
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Quoting: OlegP
Called it months ago. Hall wont get a 1st rounder, there you go, I was right. Sabres fans, your team stench far outweighs whatever pedigree a player can have. Enjoy more pain


Lol Canucks fan calling the kettle black
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 1:01 a.m.
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Finishing is all that matters. 👍🏻


yep

in general this is how I see the trade

it does not look good for buffalo right now BUT... if hall continues to play for the Bruins the same way he played in Buffalo, his motivation does not improve, and he brings that toxic atmosphere into the bruins locker room got to think buffalo wins this just for the fact they got rid of him and got something out of it.
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 1:05 a.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
yep

in general this is how I see the trade

it does not look good for buffalo right now BUT... if hall continues to play for the Bruins the same way he played in Buffalo, his motivation does not improve, and he brings that toxic atmosphere into the bruins locker room got to think buffalo wins this just for the fact they got rid of him and got something out of it.


What Toxic atmosphere are ya'll making up that doesnt exist??
Apr. 12, 2021 at 1:09 a.m.
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Quoting: Ramus_Dahlin44
U ever look at analytics?


Analytics should be used to identify underutilized talent that can be projected to produce in a larger role. If the analytics say the player is good, and the one-ice results consistently say he isn't and doesn't finish scoring chances, the player isn't unlucky. He just sucks.
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 1:14 a.m.
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Quoting: Ramus_Dahlin44
What Toxic atmosphere are ya'll making up that doesnt exist??


Dude it’s everywhere.

Countless articles.

I’ve got it straight from players he’s played with.

Give it a rest. Just because you don’t want it to be true does not mean it isn’t. You must be a liberal. Lol.
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 1:16 a.m.
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Analytics should be used to identify underutilized talent that can be projected to produce in a larger role. If the analytics say the player is good, and the one-ice results consistently say he isn't and doesn't finish scoring chances, the player isn't unlucky. He just sucks.


This is exactly why boomer GMs keep trying for players that are terrible analytically because usually they are BAD.

Analytics are literally based on how well the players play which suggest taylor hall is still very good.
Apr. 12, 2021 at 1:21 a.m.
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Quoting: Ramus_Dahlin44
This is exactly why boomer GMs keep trying for players that are terrible analytically because usually they are BAD.

Analytics are literally based on how well the players play which suggest taylor hall is still very good.


Analytics, specifically public analytics, lack context. These RAMP or other types of charts that show the standard deviation of xGF% or whatever cannot and do not qualify any of the data being used. Until public analytics can accurately provide sufficient context to the stats or improve in tracking so that the context is quantified, they should really be taken with a grain of salt. Just because someone has a good rel CF% doesn't mean they are actually good at play driving. Just because a defensemen has a low controlled entries for / 60 doesn't mean they aren't effective on the forecheck or can't generate offense. The quantifiable is worthless without it being qualified.
Apr. 12, 2021 at 1:26 a.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
Analytics, specifically public analytics, lack context. These RAMP or other types of charts that show the standard deviation of xGF% or whatever cannot and do not qualify any of the data being used. Until public analytics can accurately provide sufficient context to the stats or improve in tracking so that the context is quantified, they should really be taken with a grain of salt. Just because someone has a good rel CF% doesn't mean they are actually good at play driving. Just because a defensemen has a low controlled entries for / 60 doesn't mean they aren't effective on the forecheck or can't generate offense. The quantifiable is worthless without it being qualified.


But in this case u are wrong i've watched taylor hall all season long hes generated plenty of chances why is it his fault his linemates can't bury them?

He was playing with Victor Olofsson who analytically is terrible which suggest the lack of finishing.
Apr. 12, 2021 at 3:21 a.m.
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Quoting: Ramus_Dahlin44
Foligno is only good defensively other then that be doesnt bring a whole lot offensively


the Leafs don't need offense - they've got that in spades. fligs fills in other holes and is the kind of play your heart out defensive guy who isn't afraid to drop gloves that the Leafs do need if they want to make a deep run.
Apr. 12, 2021 at 10:03 a.m.
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Buffalo didn’t pay to acquire Hall, that’s a free 2nd and a decent player in Bjork

Good deal for both sides


Bjork has been absolutely awful this year.
Apr. 12, 2021 at 10:03 a.m.
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Quoting: Ramus_Dahlin44
U ever look at analytics?

Analytics are stupid.
Apr. 12, 2021 at 10:04 a.m.
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I’m gonna go with the fact that he’s a “superstar” and is now on his 5th team. Pretty sure if he wasn’t a locker room cancer 1-4 wouldn’t have gotten rid of him.

That’s a pretty bad take. All of those teams except edmonton were bad and were looking for futures.
Apr. 12, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
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Analytics are stupid.


You mean Victor Mete wont bring the Cup to Ottawa?!

Shame. Shame. Shame
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