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What would it cost to trade for Graves Colorado fans

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Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 15, 2021
Published: Apr. 15, 2021
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Given the upcoming expansion draft I wonder how likely it is that Colorado has any appetite to trade a player like Graves given that they are almost certain to lose a good player; however, because of position, contract, and age Graves could be the most tempting for Seattle and also the most valuable trade chip for Colorado.

With that being said I think Graves could be a really nice with for the Canucks as a replacement for Edler as they play a similar style. I also think he could be a nice fit alongside a more offensive defensemen like Schmidt. As mentioned earlier, the contract is not prohibitive and would still allow the Canucks to extend Hughes and Petey down the road.

I figure that Colorado would likely want some combination of picks and prospects.

For the below trade I tried to keep into consideration that Colorado is likely to lose someone good anyways so the incentive to trade a player like Graves may not be super high and I also tried to limit the potential cap hit the team would take one. For starters Colorado gets an elite penalty killer and solid checking forward for the 4th line. Motte is also on cheap contract and still relatively young. The best teams in the league in recent years have paid a lot for incremental improvements in the bottom six /specialty roles (ie. Janmark and Goodrow). Colorado also gets a decent B level prospect at a prime position. Finally, Colorado gets a 3rd round pick. Given that Colorado is in its contention window picks are useful not only for mining talent that can hopefully supplement the roster as it becomes more expensive, but they are also valuable for offloading inefficient money and or trading for assets down the road.

Let me know what you guys think of the trade and also let me know what your proposal would be.
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  1. Karlsson, Linus [Reserve List]
  2. Motte, Tyler
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (VAN)
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13$81,500,000$57,167,326$648,780$200,000$24,332,674
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Apr. 15, 2021 at 9:39 p.m.
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Ask seattle
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Apr. 15, 2021 at 9:46 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffW
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Plenty of teams will be after Donskoi and Graves this summer.
Apr. 15, 2021 at 11:10 p.m.
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Avs are not trading players before the expansion draft, they are losing someone of value no matter what, they will let them pick their guy and move on

GMs that were trying to be cute with the vegas draft are feeling the pain of their moves still till this season. Let Seattle pick a guy and move on
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Apr. 15, 2021 at 11:12 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
Plenty of teams will be after Donskoi and Graves this summer.


and it doesnt change the fact that Avs would rather have 1 of them on the team instead of dumping 1 in a trade for lesser value of picks and prospects and lose the other to expansion.

Avs dont care who goes, they have the internal replacements ready.
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 12:06 a.m.
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This. Avs are fine with losing 1 player to SEA, but trading guys before the expansion draft just makes COL lose even more depth players. If VAN wants Graves then wait until after the expansion draft when SEA has like 10 NHL quality D men and negotiate with them
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 1:08 a.m.
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This. Avs are fine with losing 1 player to SEA, but trading guys before the expansion draft just makes COL lose even more depth players. If VAN wants Graves then wait until after the expansion draft when SEA has like 10 NHL quality D men and negotiate with them


The idea is definitely worth a shot. IF you have players of value you can't protect you trade them before draft and get picks or protected young players. Sakic will certainly be looking into this.
Apr. 16, 2021 at 11:30 a.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
The idea is definitely worth a shot. IF you have players of value you can't protect you trade them before draft and get picks or protected young players. Sakic will certainly be looking into this.


The point is they have plenty of players of value and it's more prudent to lose 1 than multiple on a team that's going for the cup
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 11:43 a.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
The idea is definitely worth a shot. IF you have players of value you can't protect you trade them before draft and get picks or protected young players. Sakic will certainly be looking into this.


if you have multiple players of value that you are going to expose, you cant save them all so why would you lose a good player and then trade a good player bc you are afraid to lose them for nothing

You are losing a good player no matter what you do. Vegas was built into a power house team bc GMs were dumb with that line of thinking, making these side deals trying to protect everyone and sending assets to them so t hey selected certain guys

Most GMs are not going ot fall into that trap again, Seattle will not be built like a Vegas team leverage assets
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 2:22 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
if you have multiple players of value that you are going to expose, you cant save them all so why would you lose a good player and then trade a good player bc you are afraid to lose them for nothing

You are losing a good player no matter what you do. Vegas was built into a power house team bc GMs were dumb with that line of thinking, making these side deals trying to protect everyone and sending assets to them so t hey selected certain guys

Most GMs are not going ot fall into that trap again, Seattle will not be built like a Vegas team leverage assets


Quoting: BigShoots
The idea is definitely worth a shot. IF you have players of value you can't protect you trade them before draft and get picks or protected young players. Sakic will certainly be looking into this.


The thing is they are able to protect most of their best assets so trading Graves could make some sense. If they can get a couple of decent picks and Johnson will waive then you protect. Makar, Girard, Toews, MacKinnon, Landeskog (or sign him after the draft so you don't use expansion spot), Raantanen, Kadri, Jost, Donskoi, Burakovsky.

That leaves guys like Compher, Nichushken, MacDonald as best candidates. I don't think they would mind dumping Comphers cap. Between trading Graves for assets and losing Compher you also clear over 6M for extensions.
Apr. 16, 2021 at 2:24 p.m.
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The thing is they are able to protect most of their best assets so trading Graves could make some sense. If they can get a couple of decent picks and Johnson will waive then you protect. Makar, Girard, Toews, MacKinnon, Landeskog (or sign him after the draft so you don't use expansion spot), Raantanen, Kadri, Jost, Donskoi, Burakovsky.

That leaves guys like Compher, Nichushken, MacDonald as best candidates. I don't think they would mind dumping Comphers cap. Between trading Graves for assets and losing Compher you also clear over 6M for extensions.


Picks don’t help the avs compete for cups, graves does, unless the avs are getting an nhl trade that helps their roster they aren’t selling him for futures if he’s not picked in the draft
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 2:28 p.m.
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Picks don’t help the avs compete for cups, graves does, unless the avs are getting an nhl trade that helps their roster they aren’t selling him for futures if he’s not picked in the draft


Their gonna lose Graves for nothing... Getting picks for him absolutely helps because you can trade those picks in the future. You do realize that's Devon Toews was traded for two 2nd round picks.

Graves will absolutely be picked in expansion if Toews is protected.

Losing a guy like Compher is replaceable for cheap in this free agent market or internally.
Apr. 16, 2021 at 2:32 p.m.
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Their gonna lose Graves for nothing... Getting picks for him absolutely helps because you can trade those picks in the future. You do realize that's Devon Toews was traded for two 2nd round picks.

Losing a guy like Compher is replaceable for cheap in this free agent market or internally.


They are going to make guys for nothing no matter what

What’s worse lose graves for boring or trade graves for futures and lose donskoi for nothing too

So now avs have 2 holes in their roster instead of 1

This isn’t a hard concept and almost every avs fan shares the same thought l it’s only right now canucks fans who are obsessed with avs trading graves for futures to them. Maybe the avs fans have a better feel for the team they cheer for and what makes the most sense for the team at the draft
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 2:53 p.m.
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They are going to make guys for nothing no matter what

What’s worse lose graves for boring or trade graves for futures and lose donskoi for nothing too

So now avs have 2 holes in their roster instead of 1

This isn’t a hard concept and almost every avs fan shares the same thought l it’s only right now canucks fans who are obsessed with avs trading graves for futures to them. Maybe the avs fans have a better feel for the team they cheer for and what makes the most sense for the team at the draft


Why do you keep suggesting they will lose Donskoi? My interpretation is they will be able to use a protection slot on him.
Apr. 16, 2021 at 2:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Why do you keep suggesting they will lose Donskoi? My interpretation is they will be able to use a protection slot on him.


Then they lose their cost controlled cheap elite defensive fwds in jost or nichushkin so trade graves and lose one of the leagues top defensive fwds...that’s probably even worse
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:00 p.m.
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Then they lose their cost controlled cheap elite defensive fwds in jost or nichushkin so trade graves and lose one of the leagues top defensive fwds...that’s probably even worse


If they wait to sign landeskog then they could protect Raantanen, MacKinnon, Kadri, Burakovsky, Donskoi, Jost, Nichushken.

If they don't wait to sign landeskog then. Nichushken or jost would probably be exposed yes.

Calling Jost an elite defensive player is quite the stretch though. Is Corsi Against is slightly above replacement level. Nichushken has been very strong defensively though.
Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:37 p.m.
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If they wait to sign landeskog then they could protect Raantanen, MacKinnon, Kadri, Burakovsky, Donskoi, Jost, Nichushken.

If they don't wait to sign landeskog then. Nichushken or jost would probably be exposed yes.

Calling Jost an elite defensive player is quite the stretch though. Is Corsi Against is slightly above replacement level. Nichushken has been very strong defensively though.


Look up josts defensive metrics
Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:52 p.m.
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Look up josts defensive metrics


I did and that's exactly why I referenced the Corsi against.

He's solid defensively but he's certainly not elite.
Apr. 19, 2021 at 3:57 p.m.
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The point is they have plenty of players of value and it's more prudent to lose 1 than multiple on a team that's going for the cup


Sure. But if you feel you can get assets for the player you feel is going to be taken its worth considering.
Apr. 19, 2021 at 4:35 p.m.
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Sure. But if you feel you can get assets for the player you feel is going to be taken its worth considering.


Not unless it's a giant overpay.. let's say Seattle is set to take graves, then you trade graves for whatever package you get which I would assume is picks or the returning player could be selected by seattle.. so then seattle is set to take donskoi. The avs would have to replace graves and donskoi and hope that a 2nd round pick makes the team in 3 years
 
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