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Trying to Make an Analogy for Fair Eichel Trades

Created by: Masonh618
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 16, 2021
Published: Apr. 16, 2021
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I'm not sure if anyone here is a baseball fan, but if you are, think about the structure of the Chris Sale trade.

For reference, these are the assets that the White Sox received from the Red Sox:
Yoan Moncada = top 3 prospect in ALL of MLB
Michael Kopech = top 50 prospect, #3 prospect for the Red Sox
Luis Alexander-Basabe = #8 prospect for the Red Sox
Victor Diaz = nobody prospect

However, after you find prospects/players that match those descriptions, you're gonna need to add a 1st and 2nd, because Eichel is younger than Sale at the time of that trade (and not to mention the MLB doesn't allow draft pick trading). I also recommend giving Buffalo an average full-time NHLer, in substitution for a nobody prospect.


So go ahead and what you want with this. I'm just trying to offer some perspective since there hasn't really been an NHL trade on that level in recent memory, but we had this happen in the MLB five years ago.
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:24 p.m.
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Kyle from Chicago
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A baseball comparison doesn't make any sense.
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
A baseball comparison doesn't make any sense.


Why not? The MLB and the NHL both have a farm system structure, so transactions are going to have the same style.

Edit - only difference is using draft picks as assets, which I touched upon in the description
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:36 p.m.
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A better analogy would be the Anthony Davis trade.

Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, and 3 first round picks.
Ball and Ingram were top prospects/young players, like Turcotte and Byfield
Hart was a lesser prospect, maybe worth a first.
Then 3 firsts, one of which was 4th overall.

But Davis is better than Eichel so it's not a great comparison. Take out one of the top prospects, and the lesser one (or a 1st), and you have a good comparison.
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: mhroblak
Why not? The MLB and the NHL both have a farm system structure, so transactions are going to have the same style.

Edit - only difference is using draft picks as assets, which I touched upon in the description


It's a rabbit hole that I don't want to go down... It would take too much effort to go i depth and I'm not that knowledgeable about baseball.

Baseball and Hockey are completely different sports, and that's why you don't see people using trades as templates between them. (For example, how does a good pitcher compare to a number 1 center?)
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:51 p.m.
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Fr what a trade for both teams. Red Sox get an ace who was instrumental in their WS run and the White Sox got a cornerstone 3B and a mid-rotation starter (or maybe high leverage reliever we'll see) who are/will be big pieces of their core.

For Eichel, I have said in the past I think fair value is something along the lines of Kakko, Lundkvist, some NHL regular on a mid-level salary and 2 1sts or a 1st and some combo of later picks, which is kinda like the Sale trade I suppose. But honestly, I don't think its worth it to the Rangers. With Panarin, Laf, Kakko and Buchnevich making up their top 6 wings for the next 3-5 years, I think they could do much worse than Zibanejad and Strome as their 1C and 2C. Imo they'll be true contenders as soon as the young guys develop and they get a new coach, maybe bring in another top-4 in free agency in a year or two.
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
It's a rabbit hole that I don't want to go down... It would take too much effort to go i depth and I'm not that knowledgeable about baseball.

Baseball and Hockey are completely different sports, and that's why you don't see people using trades as templates between them. (For example, how does a good pitcher compare to a number 1 center?)


I specifically bolded the bold text because that's completely irrelevant to this situation. We're not trying to compare who the better athlete is. We're just using the same scope for accounting, because we have to evaluate how expensive the assets and liabilities are.
Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.
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Quoting: mhroblak
I specifically bolded the bold text because that's completely irrelevant to this situation. We're not trying to compare who the better athlete is. We're just using the same scope for accounting, because we have to evaluate how expensive the assets and liabilities are.


The impact of a ace pitcher on a baseball team compared to a number 1 center on a hockey team is completely irrelevant?
Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
A better analogy would be the Anthony Davis trade.

Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, and 3 first round picks.
Ball and Ingram were top prospects/young players, like Turcotte and Byfield
Hart was a lesser prospect, maybe worth a first.
Then 3 firsts, one of which was 4th overall.

But Davis is better than Eichel so it's not a great comparison. Take out one of the top prospects, and the lesser one (or a 1st), and you have a good comparison.


Also a solid analogy, but I think the Sale trade is a better representation because MLB teams hold farm systems just like NHL teams. NBA teams don't really do that with their G-League teams.
With that said, the AD trade is probably closer to the actual value for Eichel than the Sale trade
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 3:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
The impact of a ace pitcher on a baseball team compared to a number 1 center on a hockey team is completely irrelevant?


Um... yes?
You're overthinking this dude. This isn't a "who's the more impactful player to his team" debate.
Apr. 16, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.
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Um... yes?
You're overthinking this dude. This isn't a "who's the more impactful player to his team" debate.


I would probably go more towards basketball if you are looking to compare outside of hockey. However, since both baseball and Basketball have like 3-4 teams that “could” win each year I think comparing hockey to them is lame anyways.
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
Fr what a trade for both teams. Red Sox get an ace who was instrumental in their WS run and the White Sox got a cornerstone 3B and a mid-rotation starter (or maybe high leverage reliever we'll see) who are/will be big pieces of their core.

For Eichel, I have said in the past I think fair value is something along the lines of Kakko, Lundkvist, some NHL regular on a mid-level salary and 2 1sts or a 1st and some combo of later picks, which is kinda like the Sale trade I suppose. But honestly, I don't think its worth it to the Rangers. With Panarin, Laf, Kakko and Buchnevich making up their top 6 wings for the next 3-5 years, I think they could do much worse than Zibanejad and Strome as their 1C and 2C. Imo they'll be true contenders as soon as the young guys develop and they get a new coach, maybe bring in another top-4 in free agency in a year or two.


So you think the rangers should re-sign zibanjed?
Apr. 16, 2021 at 4:45 p.m.
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Quoting: mhroblak
Also a solid analogy, but I think the Sale trade is a better representation because MLB teams hold farm systems just like NHL teams. NBA teams don't really do that with their G-League teams.
With that said, the AD trade is probably closer to the actual value for Eichel than the Sale trade


I'm not overly familiar with the mlb outside of the blue jays to be honest. Both trades compare in different ways I guess. It's hard to compare other sports, but those 2 would likely be good comparisons for an Eichel trade.
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Apr. 16, 2021 at 4:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I'm not overly familiar with the mlb outside of the blue jays to be honest. Both trades compare in different ways I guess. It's hard to compare other sports, but those 2 would likely be good comparisons for an Eichel trade.


It absolutely is a challenge to compare other sports, which is why I'm trying to make an analogy from an accounting standpoint, if that makes sense. (If it doesn't, it might be clearer if you google "balance sheet"
Apr. 16, 2021 at 6:48 p.m.
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So you think the rangers should re-sign zibanjed?


If they can't get Eichel for a relatively cheap in a trade or aren't able to sign Barkov next summer, then sure, I'd keep him. I know he's not an ideal 1C, but with the wingers the Rangers have been able to collect, I don't think they need a dominant center to have a good offense and idk if the price that Eichel would likely cost is worth paying
Apr. 16, 2021 at 6:53 p.m.
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If they can't get Eichel for a relatively cheap in a trade or aren't able to sign Barkov next summer, then sure, I'd keep him. I know he's not an ideal 1C, but with the wingers the Rangers have been able to collect, I don't think they need a dominant center to have a good offense and idk if the price that Eichel would likely cost is worth paying


I guess it depends how much zibanejad wants. He’ll be 30 in the 1st year of his new deal. He’s not much of a play driver so it is concerning if he’s going to be able to produce like a 1C even with elite wingers.

They’re in a tough spot IMO - they need to make a decision on zib this offseason. Maybe try to trade for one of turcotte/krebs. That won’t be cheap either
 
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