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Hall Extension

Created by: Duggysdanglers
Initial Creation Date: Apr 16, 2021
Published: Apr 17 at 1:36
Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins
Team Explanation
Tell me what ya think. I’d like to sign a high end LD UFA but there are none. I’d like to trade for one but I’m not sure if one would be made available in the offseason. Hampus Lindholm might be had at the TDL but he might get extended, for example.
I like the DeBrusk trade especially if he does not light it up in the playoffs. Hall basically stole his spot.
Rask can play for another 3 years while Swayman develops in the backup role. He will still play approximately 30 games a season.
I really like Oleksiak because he will help take the physical burden off of Miller and Carlo especially since they’ve had injury issues.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Carlo, Brandon6$4,500,000
Frederic, Trent2$1,000,000
Kase, Ondrej1$1,000,000
Ritchie, Nick3$2,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Krejci, David2$4,000,000
Rask, Tuukka3$5,000,000
Hall, Taylor5$6,000,000
Reilly, Mike2$2,000,000
Miller, Kevan1$1,000,000
Oleksiak, Jamie5$3,500,000
Trades
BOS
  1. Rakell, Rickard
  2. Colangelo, Sam [Reserve List]
Additional Details:
SC balances the trade a bit.
ANA
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
BOS
    Seattle.
    ANA
    1. Lauzon, Jérémy
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    TOR
    2022
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    2023
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$79,213,452$1,956,507$682,500$2,286,548
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    BOS
    Marchand, Brad
    $6,125,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    BOS
    Bergeron, Patrice
    $6,875,000
    C
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    BOS
    Pastrnak, David
    $6,666,667
    RW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    BOS
    Hall, Taylor
    $6,000,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    BOS
    Krejci, David
    $4,000,000
    C
    UFA
    ANA
    Rakell, Rickard
    $3,789,444
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    BOS
    Ritchie, Nick
    $2,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    BOS
    Coyle, Charlie
    $5,250,000
    C, RW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 5
    BOS
    Studnicka, Jack
    $769,167
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    Frederic, Trent
    $1,000,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    BOS
    Lazar, Curtis
    $800,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    BOS
    Smith, Craig
    $3,100,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
    BOS
    Wagner, Chris
    $1,350,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Oleksiak, Jamie
    $3,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    BOS
    McAvoy, Charlie
    $4,900,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    BOS
    Rask, Tuukka
    $5,000,000
    G
    UFA
    BOS
    Grzelcyk, Matt
    $3,687,500
    LD
    UFA - 3
    BOS
    Carlo, Brandon
    $4,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 6
    BOS
    Swayman, Jeremy
    $925,000
    G
    RFA - 2
    BOS
    Reilly, Mike
    $2,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    BOS
    Miller, Kevan
    $1,000,000
    RD
    UFA
    BOS
    Vaakanainen, Urho
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    Clifton, Connor
    $1,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    Taxi Squad
    BOS
    Ahcan, Jack
    $925,000 ($0)
    LD
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    Zboril, Jakub
    $725,000 ($0)
    LD
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    Moore, John
    $2,750,000 ($1,625,000)
    LD
    UFA - 2
    BOS
    Kuhlman, Karson
    $725,000 ($0)
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    Kase, Ondrej
    $1,000,000 ($0)
    RW
    RFA - 1

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    Apr 17 at 1:39
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    Not enough for Rakell. ANA easily declines
    Apr 17 at 1:42
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    Quoting: TowelPower
    Not enough for Rakell. ANA easily declines


    Rakell is a UFA at the end of next season. DeBrusk is much younger with term and team control. It’s easily a win win for the Ducks. Unless Anaheim wants to extend but word around the campfire is they are trying to get younger. This deal does that.
    Apr 17 at 1:45
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    Rakell has move trade value than Debrusk.

    We’ll see how Hall does and how he fits in.

    Would not be surprised at all if they make a big push for Eichel at the draft. If it succeeds they let Hall walk.
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    Apr 17 at 1:48
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    Quoting: Duggysdanglers
    Rakell is a UFA at the end of next season. DeBrusk is much younger with term and team control. It’s easily a win win for the Ducks. Unless Anaheim wants to extend but word around the campfire is they are trying to get younger. This deal does that.


    Rakell is much more complete player. DeBrusk has regressed since his rookie year.
    Apr 17 at 1:48
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    Rakell has move trade value than Debrusk.

    We’ll see how Hall does and how he fits in.

    Would not be surprised at all if they make a big push for Eichel at the draft. If it succeeds they let Hall walk.


    Boston does not have the pieces to get Eichel. They have cap space and that’s it. They could offer up DeBrusk plus first round picks and prospects but it’ll have to be a quantity trade. It is a huge loss for Buffalo. Rangers and Kings have the best chance to get him but I think it’s still tough.
    Apr 17 at 1:50
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    Quoting: TowelPower
    Rakell is much more complete player. DeBrusk has regressed since his rookie year.


    Jake has had an off year but I still think it’s better than a UFA that could walk. Jake needs a change of scenery. We’ve seen his potential.
    Apr 17 at 1:56
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    Quoting: Duggysdanglers
    Jake has had an off year but I still think it’s better than a UFA that could walk. Jake needs a change of scenery. We’ve seen his potential.


    ANA could do a lot better especially if they decide to sell off all their pieces.
    DeBrusk may have the potential but his stock isn't all that high.
    Especially with Rakell not having a whole lot of support around him, he's managed to deliver consistent numbers since ANA has been going through their rebuild stage.
    Apr 17 at 1:57
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    Quoting: Duggysdanglers
    Boston does not have the pieces to get Eichel. They have cap space and that’s it. They could offer up DeBrusk plus first round picks and prospects but it’ll have to be a quantity trade. It is a huge loss for Buffalo. Rangers and Kings have the best chance to get him but I think it’s still tough.



    LA and NY have better pieces but do they do it? Never would have thought they’d land Hall and Lazar for what they did. Supply/demand/circumstance. Like i said, i think they will make a big push, i don’t think it happens, but if it does they walk away from Hall. It’s a much better scenario for Boston.
    Apr 17 at 2:00
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    LA and NY have better pieces but do they do it? Never would have thought they’d land Hall and Lazar for what they did. Supply/demand/circumstance. Like i said, i think they will make a big push, i don’t think it happens, but if it does they walk away from Hall. It’s a much better scenario for Boston.


    Why walk away from Hall? Put him and Eichel on a line together. Unless they hate each other from their time in Buffalo.
    Apr 17 at 2:01
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    Quoting: TowelPower
    ANA could do a lot better especially if they decide to sell off all their pieces.
    DeBrusk may have the potential but his stock isn't all that high.
    Especially with Rakell not having a whole lot of support around him, he's managed to deliver consistent numbers since ANA has been going through their rebuild stage.


    Definitely a strong possibility that the Ducks keep him and flip him at the 2022 TDL. Palmieri and Zajac got a great return.
    What could the Bruins offer to get Lindholm??
    Vaakanainen and a first round pick?
    Apr 17 at 2:03
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    Quoting: Duggysdanglers
    Why walk away from Hall? Put him and Eichel on a line together. Unless they hate each other from their time in Buffalo.


    Because you have a huge year the next year with Mac and Bergey coming due among others. You can’t have everyone, ask the Leafs.
    Apr 17 at 2:05
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    Quoting: Duggysdanglers
    Definitely a strong possibility that the Ducks keep him and flip him at the 2022 TDL. Palmieri and Zajac got a great return.
    What could the Bruins offer to get Lindholm??
    Vaakanainen and a first round pick?


    On a very very team friendly 3.8M, ANA would get a lot more if they traded him in the off-season.
    Apr 17 at 2:06
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    I think folks need to go look at some /60 numbers for DeBrusk vs Rakell since 2018 before saying Rakell (a ufa after next year) has more value than DeBrusk (an RFA after next year).
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    Apr 17 at 2:08
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    Quoting: TowelPower
    On a very very team friendly 3.8M, ANA would get a lot more if they traded him in the off-season.


    That’s what I mean. This offseason. He’s a UFA after next season.
    Apr 17 at 2:11
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    Quoting: TowelPower
    On a very very team friendly 3.8M, ANA would get a lot more if they traded him in the off-season.


    I’m sure he gets extended.
    Apr 17 at 2:14
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    I think folks need to go look at some /60 numbers for DeBrusk vs Rakell since 2018 before saying Rakell (a ufa after next year) has more value than DeBrusk (an RFA after next year).


    Well aware of what their numbers are. Well aware of the players they are as well. I have defended Debrusks trade value against all other fan bases and their ridiculous offers over the last 2 months. But right now...Rakell has more trade value than Debrusk, they would not be adding Colangelo. In fact when the 2 teams were talking at the deadline it was Boston adding in a Debrusk/Rakell deal.
    Apr 17 at 2:15
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    Quoting: Duggysdanglers
    That’s what I mean. This offseason. He’s a UFA after next season.


    Yeah so if ANA decide to go total firesale. They should just sell him now. They'll get a lot more value now as opposed to TDL. You indicated 2022 TDL.
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    Apr 17 at 2:23
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    I think folks need to go look at some /60 numbers for DeBrusk vs Rakell since 2018 before saying Rakell (a ufa after next year) has more value than DeBrusk (an RFA after next year).


    Since 2018, when it comes to scoring and scoring chances Rakell has DeBrusk beat in /60 numbers.
    DeBrusk has also had more offensive zone starts /60, while Rakell starts a whole lot more in the defensive zone.
    Apr 17 at 2:23
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    Well aware of what their numbers are. Well aware of the players they are as well. I have defended Debrusks trade value against all other fan bases and their ridiculous offers over the last 2 months. But right now...Rakell has more trade value than Debrusk, they would not be adding Colangelo. In fact when the 2 teams were talking at the deadline it was Boston adding in a Debrusk/Rakell deal.


    Those circumstances might change up a bit in the offseason especially if JD has a solid playoff.
    Apr 17 at 2:31
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    Quoting: Duggysdanglers
    Those circumstances might change up a bit in the offseason especially if JD has a solid playoff.


    Sure, and if he doesn’t his trade value gets worse. If Rakell gets a major injury and is ruled out all next year he has no value. Etc etc. But i don’t deal in what ifs.
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    Apr 17 at 2:33
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    Sure, and if he doesn’t his trade value gets worse. If Rakell gets a major injury and is ruled out all next year he has no value. Etc etc. But i don’t deal in what ifs.


    Might be able to do the straight up deal with a Rakell extension.
    Apr 17 at 2:34
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    Edited Apr 17 at 2:51
    Quoting: TowelPower
    Since 2018, when it comes to scoring and scoring chances Rakell has DeBrusk beat in /60 numbers.
    DeBrusk has also had more offensive zone starts /60, while Rakell starts a whole lot more in the defensive zone.


    When you say scoring are you talking goals or points?

    G/60
    RR - 0.77
    JD - 1.16

    P/60
    RR - 2.03
    JD - 2.00

    Oops, I forgot to do iSCF

    iSCF/60
    RR - 9.4
    JD - 8.8
    Apr 17 at 2:36
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    Well aware of what their numbers are. Well aware of the players they are as well. I have defended Debrusks trade value against all other fan bases and their ridiculous offers over the last 2 months. But right now...Rakell has more trade value than Debrusk, they would not be adding Colangelo. In fact when the 2 teams were talking at the deadline it was Boston adding in a Debrusk/Rakell deal.


    What are your sources?
    Apr 17 at 2:39
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    1-year of Rakell for Debrusk sounds about even.
    But Colangelo tips the deal unbalanced.
    Apr 17 at 2:51
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    When you say scoring are you talking goals or points?

    G/60
    RR - 0.77
    JD - 1.16

    P/60
    RR - 2.03
    JD - 2.00


    I'm talking about their overall contribution to their teams

    GF/60
    RR - 2.45
    JD - 2.26

    High Danger Scoring Chances/60
    RR - 11.11
    JD - 9.84

    Off Zone Starts/60
    RR - 11.64
    JD - 12.83

    D Zone Starts/60
    RR - 8.26
    JD - 5.68

    RR much more complete player and plays a 200 foot game. In 2018, collected 40+ points, finished tied for second on a team that had absolutely no offensive output and finishing dead last in GF in the league.
    JD had the support of Krejci as his main pivot, Krejci went on to have a career year in 2018.

    Easy for you to pick G/60 when DeBrusk had better linemates and was playing on a better team
    2018 - Rakell's linemates were Getzlaf/Perry and Silfverberg/Shore and Aberg/Getzlaf. Keep in mind Getzlaf and Perry were old and way past their prime. Getzlaf didn't even eclipse 50 points, Perry was injured for a third of the season and collected 10 points.
    2019 - Rakell mainly played with Henrique and Silfverberg

    2018 - DeBrusk played with Heinen and Krejci
    2019 - Krejci and Kuhlman
     
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