God no, that doesn't get you Dumba.

I also did a roster for next and we identified similar players to move out. Interesting

This is horrible. Wild easily say heck no

No one is taking on a below average player, with a trash contract

Wild don't need wingers

Drouin is a great second line playmaker and wild could use more offense. Wild also would risk getting dumba chosen in expansion draft and instead they get a good second liner in return

Wild are losing Dumba at expansion draft anyways. May as well get some offense value instead of losing him for nothing

Even if we would be losing Dumba, we would get better trades than this monstrosity. Also, we can go 8-1 and let SEA pick the good-but-inconsistent Greenway instead.

Dude what part don't you get wild don't need or have room for Jonathan drouin.

Live in reality. No one is taking on that ugly contract. Scoring isn't a problem wild have

Yeah sure, & your reality is giving away a bad player, & trash contract for wild

No, we're not. Dumba isn't likely on the roster in two years maybe not even next year, but he is absolutely protected in any and all expansion draft scenarios. There's this little thing in the expansion draft where a team can go 4 forwards - 4 defenseman and 1 goalie.

Maybe you've heard of it?

Greenway, Soucy, and Talbot will be those left exposed. Losing them to Seattle hurts, but is better than losing Dumba for free.

Bottom line, Drouin on his own isn't worth a Top Paring RHS OFD, who has been more of a two-way defenseman this year anyway, and has easily been the second best on the team behind only Brodin. On a team that currently has a top 5 defense in the league.

Drouin 1 for 1 for Dumba is an insult.

People think they can lowball us just because of the ED. They think wrong. Guerin has refused to move Dumba for better returns than what you offered us.

1) We have no need for Drouin.

2) Drouin is a winger not a center.

3) The Wild need centers. Top 6 centers, specifically. If not a top six center, than a top six potential center.

That said, Guerin turned down Monahan for Dumba 1v1. Do you still think Drouin will cut it?

No one is fooled by this. Drouin is a slightly overpaid 2nd line mediocre winger.

Not many teams would want him.

Russo has reported multiple times that that might not be the case and Guerin has been seriously considering going 7-3-1. It's not set in stone either way at this point.

I cannot see why.

A middle six power forward, a 4-6 defenseman and Talbot are Dumba's only competition. And the only one of those three I'm actively concerned about losing or caring for that matter is Talbot.

Dumba is a legitimate Top Pairing RHS OFD/TWD, who's value is far greater than either Greenway or Soucy. For as good of a season as Greenway is having, you don't protect him over Dumba.

Period.

Paraphrasing what he said, basically Guerin could think of exposing Dumba as possibly trading Dumba for $6 million in free cap space. In a flat cap environment where any Dumba trade would likely require money coming back, getting $6 million to work with would be quite valuable. Brodin's extension is kicking in, Kaprizov/Fiala/Eriksson Ek raises are coming, and whatever he tries doing to fix our center depth will all require cap space. Depending on how long the cap stays flat, the more money we have, the better.

I am more than acutely aware of what Russo says... I listen to him religiously, but he's only said that a couple times and only within the last couple of weeks. So I'm also acutely aware that if Dumba gets taken, it's free cap space. I've made that exact point before in other treads, no less than this one on Monday.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/440289?post_id=2265777

It's ironic how you liked @Outcold13's comment just before the final comment, which is mine, and then the thread dies after I posted.

But here's the main important point I was making in that comment.



Getting cap space for Dumba being taken is nice and all. But you don't realistically protect the forward core that we have over a legitimate Top Pairing defenseman, you just don't. You protect him, take the hit elsewhere, then move him for max value once the ED is over and teams can't continue to lowball us because of it.

By letting Seattle take someone else at the ED, then moving Dumba afterwards, you gain both possible max value for Dumba and even more cap space then just giving up a top pairing defenseman for free.

Funny how that works, no?

Well said. I have exactly zero interest in Drouin, just another left shot wing the Wild have to many of. In this case he would be bad money for the Wild to bring back in a trade.

Yeah I'm not even sure I saw your comment. I usually get in the shower before work around 9:45 PM. I'm guessing that was one of the last things I read/saw before getting in the shower and going to work. Outside of Wild specific threads, I usually don't go back after I look at it after the first time unless someone replies to a comment I made.

As for the idea of keeping Dumba then trying to trade him for a higher value after expansion, I see how that could work in theory, but I'm not entirely sure that the market will be too much stronger after expansion. A couple more teams might open up as options, but I'm not sure any of them would be a home run trade and may involve equal money coming back. Anything at this point is speculation though. I trust Guerin to bet the best value for him whether that's via expansion or a trade. He's done a good job so far IMO and should be able to help us take the next step.