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Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 19, 2021
Published: Apr. 19, 2021
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Ryan Graves trade gets made before the Expansion Draft so Colorado does not lose him for nothing. Ottawa really only has 1-2 D worth protecting.
I think both UFAs are fair value. Danault is a veteran defensive shut down C that can take the heat off of younger players like Stützle and Norris. Lots of mentoring as well. Ditto for Savard. Chabot absolutely needs a stud stay at home RD to support him. Savard will be the reincarnation of Marc Methot. Lots of value there.
Lassi Thomson is exempt from the Expansion Draft and Cal Foote is not.
The Sens should have another top 5 pick this year and I think they should focus on high end RW. I think Dylan Guenther or Chaz Lucius would be good fits. Other than that, there’s obviously nothing wrong with taking Beniers, Power or Clarke.
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    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:08 p.m.
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    So instead of losing Graves for nothing, the Avs lose Graves AND Donskoi for a 2nd rd pick in a shallow draft they have gladly traded most of their picks out of? That’s the problem with the “losing a guy for nothing” trades on CF, the ACGM never takes into account that the team has to lose someone. I mean Graves for a 2nd isn’t the worst proposal I’ve seen, but losing Graves AND still losing someone in the XD for a 2nd isn’t all that great.
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    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:08 p.m.
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    6 x 6 for Savard

    😳

    You mentioned he'd be brought in as a veteran to help others develop but at that term and $ he starts to mess with their window for contention at some point I mean in 4 years when he's an AHL player and Stutzle Brannstrom etc. are leading them to playoffs yikes

    Also noone would be bidding with you like that

    I bet he'd sign a 4y/2M deal pretty quickly
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:11 p.m.
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    Jeeeez... so much wrong with this.

    1. Savard and Danault are both overpaid
    2. I think if that's all Foote is getting in a deal the Lightning - a win-now team - don't trade him for a prospect
    3. Norris should at least be on your second line
    4. If we're turning it up get Tierney TF out of here
    5. Where are JBD and Sanderson (at least JS in the Taxi)? I do like the Graves pickup, but we have D prospects who need playing time who will be better than him.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: Radu47
    6 x 6 for Savard

    😳

    You mentioned he'd be brought in as a veteran to help others develop but at that term and $ he starts to mess with their window for contention at some point I mean in 4 years when he's an AHL player and Stutzle Brannstrom etc. are leading them to playoffs yikes

    Also noone would be bidding with you like that

    I bet he'd sign a 4y/2M deal pretty quickly


    You really think that Savard is only worth $2 m per. He was the most sought after D at the TDL. He fetched a first round pick with RS of course.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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    Jeeeez... so much wrong with this.

    1. Savard and Danault are both overpaid
    2. I think if that's all Foote is getting in a deal the Lightning - a win-now team - don't trade him for a prospect
    3. Norris should at least be on your second line
    4. If we're turning it up get Tierney TF out of here
    5. Where are JBD and Sanderson (at least JS in the Taxi)? I do like the Graves pickup, but we have D prospects who need playing time who will be better than him.


    PD turned down Habs offer of $5.5 m (?) I believe. Can’t remember the term offered.
    He has solid defensive numbers. Aside from two early years with Chicago, he’s a plus player his whole career. All underlying stats are positive except for those two years I mentioned. I think he’s highly underrated. He might have to suck it up and take $5.5 m. But that’s the low end unless he goes to a tax free state.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: ChrisPy97
    Jeeeez... so much wrong with this.

    1. Savard and Danault are both overpaid
    2. I think if that's all Foote is getting in a deal the Lightning - a win-now team - don't trade him for a prospect
    3. Norris should at least be on your second line
    4. If we're turning it up get Tierney TF out of here
    5. Where are JBD and Sanderson (at least JS in the Taxi)? I do like the Graves pickup, but we have D prospects who need playing time who will be better than him.


    TB will likely protect 3 D: Hedman, Sergachev and Cernak. They would have to expose McDonagh and Foote plus a few others. So trading Foote for a close to NHL ready prospect like Lassi Thomson is not unrealistic. It’s actually a great deal.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:27 p.m.
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    So instead of losing Graves for nothing, the Avs lose Graves AND Donskoi for a 2nd rd pick in a shallow draft they have gladly traded most of their picks out of? That’s the problem with the “losing a guy for nothing” trades on CF, the ACGM never takes into account that the team has to lose someone. I mean Graves for a 2nd isn’t the worst proposal I’ve seen, but losing Graves AND still losing someone in the XD for a 2nd isn’t all that great.


    That’s a fair point. The Avs might have to look at choosing between Toews and Girard. They will have to protect Johnson unless he either waives NMC or is ruled out for next season. They will quite obviously protect Makar. Then maybe they look at moving Girard instead or make a deal with Seattle.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: Radu47
    6 x 6 for Savard

    😳

    You mentioned he'd be brought in as a veteran to help others develop but at that term and $ he starts to mess with their window for contention at some point I mean in 4 years when he's an AHL player and Stutzle Brannstrom etc. are leading them to playoffs yikes

    Also noone would be bidding with you like that

    I bet he'd sign a 4y/2M deal pretty quickly


    Quoting: ChrisPy97
    Jeeeez... so much wrong with this.

    1. Savard and Danault are both overpaid
    2. I think if that's all Foote is getting in a deal the Lightning - a win-now team - don't trade him for a prospect
    3. Norris should at least be on your second line
    4. If we're turning it up get Tierney TF out of here
    5. Where are JBD and Sanderson (at least JS in the Taxi)? I do like the Graves pickup, but we have D prospects who need playing time who will be better than him.


    Savard’s playoffs will determine how much he will get. You guys could be right. Maybe it’s closer to $4 m x 4. That might be better. This season is an off year but so has the whole CBJ team.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    So instead of losing Graves for nothing, the Avs lose Graves AND Donskoi for a 2nd rd pick in a shallow draft they have gladly traded most of their picks out of? That’s the problem with the “losing a guy for nothing” trades on CF, the ACGM never takes into account that the team has to lose someone. I mean Graves for a 2nd isn’t the worst proposal I’ve seen, but losing Graves AND still losing someone in the XD for a 2nd isn’t all that great.


    it's really not that bad, it's almost preferable. this would open up just over $7m in cap space for the avs. although i'd rather lose compher than donskoi.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 1:42 p.m.
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    I wouldn't think Savard fetches much more than 4 million unless he's good down the stretch for TB. I think Danault will likely be in that same range, maybe a little more. I like both players but I don't think either are worth that money with that kind of term. Big risk for Ottawa.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 3:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    it's really not that bad, it's almost preferable. this would open up just over $7m in cap space for the avs. although i'd rather lose compher than donskoi.

    Maybe maybe not, if you’re telling me it’s the difference between signing Makar long term then sure. If you’re telling me the money is just going to be spent on third liners then no thanks.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 3:21 p.m.
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    Why would Johnson not waive? He is going to miss the whole year probably until the 3rd round, do you think Seattle picks him? No, because Graves is younger, healthier and cheaper. Ok Armageddon happens, Johnson won’t waive, Avs ask Landy to delay signing his deal so they can go 4-4-1, Landy says no. They still go 4-4-1 exposing Burakovsky. There are zero scenarios that occur that COL loses either Girard or Toews in the XD, and basically zero chance EJ won’t waive because what’s his alternative being bought out and looking for a non cup contender to play with?
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 3:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Maybe maybe not, if you’re telling me it’s the difference between signing Makar long term then sure. If you’re telling me the money is just going to be spent on third liners then no thanks.


    that doesnt seem any different than spending money on graves (3rd pair) and donskoi (3rd line). if the avs could get rid of compher instead of donskoi i'd use the money on a good 3c. most of that money would go to extending landeskog and makar.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 4:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    that doesnt seem any different than spending money on graves (3rd pair) and donskoi (3rd line). if the avs could get rid of compher instead of donskoi i'd use the money on a good 3c. most of that money would go to extending landeskog and makar.


    Why? You have Jost AND Newhook, why would you spend a penny on an outside 3C?
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 5:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Why? You have Jost AND Newhook, why would you spend a penny on an outside 3C?


    jost doesn't produce enough and newhook is unproven. id rather not rely on either one when the avs are a cup favorite.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 5:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    jost doesn't produce enough and newhook is unproven. id rather not rely on either one when the avs are a cup favorite.


    Who would you rather have over newhook or jost? Because you also have bowers in the system and have the option to resign soderberg or bellemare
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 5:45 p.m.
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    Who would you rather have over newhook or jost? Because you also have bowers in the system and have the option to resign soderberg or bellemare


    i don't think any of them are clear cut 3c's. it's hard to say who i'd want without knowing who is available. jost, newhook, or soderberg would all be good options for 4c. avs should move on from bellemare and bowers isn't ready yet.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 5:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    i don't think any of them are clear cut 3c's. it's hard to say who i'd want without knowing who is available. jost, newhook, or soderberg would all be good options for 4c. avs should move on from bellemare and bowers isn't ready yet.


    Yeah but newhook will be a 2c eventually he costs less than a million, so he can sit behind kadri for a year and get use to the nhl. It's almost a perfect situation to have jost and bowers and newhook available at 3c for next year.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 6:03 p.m.
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    Yeah but newhook will be a 2c eventually he costs less than a million, so he can sit behind kadri for a year and get use to the nhl. It's almost a perfect situation to have jost and bowers and newhook available at 3c for next year.


    No guarantees even with newhook. i see no problem starting him out on the 4th and letting him earn his ice time. jost would be the best bet but hasn't taken the next step to break out offensively. bowers isn't ready for the avs. maybe on another team he could get a 4th line gig but he shouldn't be a regular at the start of the season for the avs. avs should have better depth than that.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 6:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    jost doesn't produce enough and newhook is unproven. id rather not rely on either one when the avs are a cup favorite.


    Produce what points? He has been awesome since sliding into 3C, and if you don’t think you can get a 3C out of either of those guys and instead would use money on a 3C from the outside someone in your organization should be fired. Personally I want the 3rd line to be great defensively, be able to play in all situations anywhere on the ice against any line, chip in some office and not be expensive. Jost has been doing just that.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 7:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Produce what points? He has been awesome since sliding into 3C, and if you don’t think you can get a 3C out of either of those guys and instead would use money on a 3C from the outside someone in your organization should be fired. Personally I want the 3rd line to be great defensively, be able to play in all situations anywhere on the ice against any line, chip in some office and not be expensive. Jost has been doing just that.


    except the offense part. if it can be prevent i don't want to be an injury away from jost playing in the top 6.

    no gm ever got fired for adding good center depth to his organization.
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 8:08 p.m.
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    except the offense part. if it can be prevent i don't want to be an injury away from jost playing in the top 6.

    no gm ever got fired for adding good center depth to his organization.


    Ok so re-signing Landy is a no brained and the 3HM stays together. Kadri and Burakovsky is back that’s 2/3 of the 2nd line. Assuming Graves is the pick in the XD, you have Donskoi, Nichushkin, Jost, Newhook, and imo Kaut to fill out the 3rd and slot someone in the 2nd line though I think they avoid at least initially of having Newhook and Kaut on a line together. That leaves Compher, LOC, and Bowers for the 4th line. Who would you target that is an upgrade over Jost or Newhook at 3C?
    Apr. 19, 2021 at 9:16 p.m.
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    Ok so re-signing Landy is a no brained and the 3HM stays together. Kadri and Burakovsky is back that’s 2/3 of the 2nd line. Assuming Graves is the pick in the XD, you have Donskoi, Nichushkin, Jost, Newhook, and imo Kaut to fill out the 3rd and slot someone in the 2nd line though I think they avoid at least initially of having Newhook and Kaut on a line together. That leaves Compher, LOC, and Bowers for the 4th line. Who would you target that is an upgrade over Jost or Newhook at 3C?


    impossible to say without knowing who is available. id try and move compher for a pick if i could to free up more cap.
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 4:59 a.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    impossible to say without knowing who is available. id try and move compher for a pick if i could to free up more cap.


    I know that, but so you’re willing to gamble on the unknown instead of trust the development of 3 1st round picks (if you throw Bowers in there) including one that is considered an elite prospect, another that you flubbed his development and finally when you put him in the position you drafted him he started to produce and a 3rd that the head coach obviously loves. So instead of that, you want to go out and spend money on someone who is going to be more expensive? At some point this team is going to have to trust their young guys on cheap deals because spending money on your bottom 6 especially when you have a long term need in your top 6 is just poor asset allocation. At least that’s how I see it.
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    I know that, but so you’re willing to gamble on the unknown instead of trust the development of 3 1st round picks (if you throw Bowers in there) including one that is considered an elite prospect, another that you flubbed his development and finally when you put him in the position you drafted him he started to produce and a 3rd that the head coach obviously loves. So instead of that, you want to go out and spend money on someone who is going to be more expensive? At some point this team is going to have to trust their young guys on cheap deals because spending money on your bottom 6 especially when you have a long term need in your top 6 is just poor asset allocation. At least that’s how I see it.


    now's the time to go all in. id rather have a guy that i know can fill a role rather than a guy i hope can fill a role.
     
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