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Team: 2021-22 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 20, 2021
Published: Apr. 20, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
1$1,250,000
6$4,333,333
1$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$800,000
7$8,500,000
2$2,750,000
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. Jones, Seth
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Extension is required before the deal is complete.
CBJ
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. Myers, Philippe
  3. 2022 1st round pick (PHI)
2.
PHI
    Expansion draft. Hagg plus to take JVR
    VAN
    1. Hägg, Robert
    2. van Riemsdyk, James
    3. 2021 3rd round pick (PHI)
    3.
    PHI
    1. 2022 3rd round pick (CBJ)
    Additional Details:
    Depth for a team with a good forward group
    WPG
    1. Braun, Justin
    2. 2022 7th round pick (STL)
    Buyouts
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    22$81,500,000$71,457,262$0$1,045,000$10,042,738
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    UFA - 1
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    $4,333,333$4,333,333
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
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    $8,250,000$8,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
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    $4,137,500$4,137,500
    RW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    RW
    RFA - 1
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    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 5
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    $3,571,429$3,571,429
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
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    UFA - 2
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    $925,000$925,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 1
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    $1,075,000$1,075,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $4,725,000$4,725,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
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    $5,400,000$5,400,000
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $4,333,333$4,333,333
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    $8,500,000$8,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 7
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    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    G
    RFA - 3
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    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    G
    UFA - 1
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    $800,000$800,000
    LD, LW
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    $800,000$800,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
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    $756,667$756,667 (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2

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    Apr. 20, 2021 at 11:54 a.m.
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    With an extension, I'd bet that Columbus asks for more.
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    Apr. 20, 2021 at 11:59 a.m.
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    Nah.
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    With an extension, I'd bet that Columbus asks for more.


    Yup. Might need an extra first. Or two.
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    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    With an extension, I'd bet that Columbus asks for more.


    Quoting: dopplsan
    Yup. Might need an extra first. Or two.


    Hahaha, what?
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:10 p.m.
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    Nah.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    Hahaha, what?


    Hey man, you’re the one trading for him.
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    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    Hahaha, what?


    With an extension? Absolutely.
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: dopplsan
    Hey man, you’re the one trading for him.


    Quoting: Lenny7
    With an extension? Absolutely.


    CBJ is getting a top 4 D man, a likely top 6C and a 1st round pick in what could be one of the best drafts in a long time and you think they should get more? This is almost Eichel worthy and you want us to throw in more 1sts? LMFAO
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    CBJ is getting a top 4 D man, a likely top 6C and a 1st round pick in what could be one of the best drafts in a long time and you think they should get more? This is almost Eichel worthy and you want us to throw in more 1sts? LMFAO


    Well, I mean if Myers is a top 4 dman, you should probably keep him, since that's a big part of your issue right now...
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    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:26 p.m.
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    Well, I mean if Myers is a top 4 dman, you should probably keep him, since that's a big part of your issue right now...


    I doubt CBJ even wants Myers in that deal. They likely demand Cam York or Sanheim. The Flyers do not need to include an extra 1st round pick as was suggested as a result.
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    Well, I mean if Myers is a top 4 dman, you should probably keep him, since that's a big part of your issue right now...


    We need a top pairing guy more than a 2nd pairing guy right now.

    Quoting: Dmh1055
    I doubt CBJ even wants Myers in that deal. They likely demand Cam York or Sanheim. The Flyers do not need to include an extra 1st round pick as was suggested as a result.


    Sanheim and York are LHD, they already have a bunch of those. I can definitely see them wanting Myers and is RHD position.
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles

    Sanheim and York are LHD, they already have a bunch of those. I can definitely see them wanting Myers and is RHD position.


    Maybe. But still gonna cost more for Jonesy.
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    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: dopplsan
    Maybe. But still gonna cost more for Jonesy.


    I'm sorry but Jones isn't worth the same as Eichel.
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    We need a top pairing guy more than a 2nd pairing guy right now.



    Sanheim and York are LHD, they already have a bunch of those. I can definitely see them wanting Myers and is RHD position.


    So you think Columbus should value Myers more than Sanheim and York (both 1st round picks) with the potential to #1 or #2 defensemen because Myers is a RHD even though he is undrafted and seems to have a ceiling as a #4 defenseman and a floor that is not in the league if he continues on with his current play. Okay that all makes perfect sense.
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 12:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    I'm sorry but Jones isn't worth the same as Eichel.


    He isn’t. Eichel will be worth even more.

    Not justifying it. But that’s what the market is likely going to demand
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    Apr. 20, 2021 at 1:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: Dmh1055
    So you think Columbus should value Myers more than Sanheim and York (both 1st round picks) with the potential to #1 or #2 defensemen because Myers is a RHD even though he is undrafted and seems to have a ceiling as a #4 defenseman and a floor that is not in the league if he continues on with his current play. Okay that all makes perfect sense.


    How can you determine their ceilings already? At this point i'd love to hear how you think Sanheim still has a ceiling of a #1 or #2 D man. Draft positions mean absolutely fk all when you are 22-25
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 2:43 p.m.
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    How can you determine their ceilings already? At this point i'd love to hear how you think Sanheim still has a ceiling of a #1 or #2 D man. Draft positions mean absolutely fk all when you are 22-25


    Professional Scouts watch these players at a young age and not one saw enough in Myers to take him in the NHL draft. With his size and the all important Right Handed Defenseman they still all passed. You're allowed to be bullish on Myers and you should be as a Flyers fan just like the team is on him. However, it's also important to be realistic and not overvalue him. He didn't go undrafted to suddenly a make or break piece in a Seth Jones level trade. It's foolish to think you're suddenly outsmarting everyone for a superstar level talent. He exceeded expectations got an NHL contract and even made the team. He performed well as a rookie as a #4. He's in 2nd year and has not performed well enough to be a #6 on a team with severe lack of RHD. The undrafted prospect stigma and his poor performance this year state a lot about what his floor could be. The team prefers to play more LHD than to play a RHD available to them. Myers showed last year when paired with Sanheim as a second pairing he's capable of being a #4. This year he was asked to be a first pairing RHD and did not succeed nor has he been able to revert to his #4 pairing status. I believe and hope he's having a sophomore slump. That being said, I hope he can get back to being a #4 but I'll settle for him being on the 3rd pair consistently. I do not believe he's a top pairing defenseman on a quality NHL team when he's playing his best game.

    Sanheim and York will be in an NHL lineup top 6. That's their floor, which should be expected of a 1st round pick. They have a ceiling that says they can be a #1 potentially but mostly like a #2 defenseman.
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 2:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: Dmh1055
    Professional Scouts watch these players at a young age and not one saw enough in Myers to take him in the NHL draft. With his size and the all important Right Handed Defenseman they still all passed. You're allowed to be bullish on Myers and you should be as a Flyers fan just like the team is on him. However, it's also important to be realistic and not overvalue him. He didn't go undrafted to suddenly a make or break piece in a Seth Jones level trade. It's foolish to think you're suddenly outsmarting everyone for a superstar level talent. He exceeded expectations got an NHL contract and even made the team. He performed well as a rookie as a #4. He's in 2nd year and has not performed well enough to be a #6 on a team with severe lack of RHD. The undrafted prospect stigma and his poor performance this year state a lot about what his floor could be. The team prefers to play more LHD than to play a RHD available to them. Myers showed last year when paired with Sanheim as a second pairing he's capable of being a #4. This year he was asked to be a first pairing RHD and did not succeed nor has he been able to revert to his #4 pairing status. I believe and hope he's having a sophomore slump. That being said, I hope he can get back to being a #4 but I'll settle for him being on the 3rd pair consistently. I do not believe he's a top pairing defenseman on a quality NHL team when he's playing his best game.

    Sanheim and York will be in an NHL lineup top 6. That's their floor, which should be expected of a 1st round pick. They have a ceiling that says they can be a #1 potentially but mostly like a #2 defenseman.


    What an absolute idiotic statement all around. I guess guys like Marty St. Louis, Kunitz, Rafalski, Oates were all absolutely worthless in a trade for their entire career because they were undrafted. Give your head a shake bud.
    Apr. 20, 2021 at 3:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    What an absolute idiotic statement all around. I guess guys like Marty St. Louis, Kunitz, Rafalski, Oates were all absolutely worthless in a trade for their entire career because they were undrafted. Give your head a shake bud.


    You named good undrafted players. Pat yourself on the back. All of the players you named were draft age in the 1990's or earlier. It stands to reason that NHL scouting has been much better since then. 20 years of solid evidence says so. Undrafted players still happen but mostly end up as NHL 3rd liners at best or 3rd pair defenseman coming out of college. I hope the Flyers found a needle in a haystack with Myers, I do. I just think Myers ceiling height is limited to being a quality #4 defenseman with a floor that risks seeing him out of the league. Just don't think another team is buying high on Myers as the primary piece of a franchise altering trade like this one above when the risk of quality return could be zero.
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