Yeah but that doesnt get you Eichel

If the reported ask of 4 1st round picks is true, then that offer has to be enough. Rossi and Dumba are worth more than a 1st on their own. I'm not a wild or sabres fan so i'm just trying to offer an unbiased opinion here. I get it if the issue is Quality over quantity, but the value here is pretty good

People hang on this 4 draft pick thing way to much, that does mean you ignore every other factor. The Sabres have no use for Dumba, if theyre moving Eichel theyre rebuilding and they have plenty of D prospects and Dumba absolutely cant carry the Sabres, and 2 late 1sts, 1 in this garbage draft is absolutely unappealing

Agreed. Personally, I'd want Boldy over Rossi, but the value is (IMO) there. Not sure what more you could possibly expect to get, other than maybe a mid-range prospect tied in at the end?

Sure. Personally, I think Buffalo should hold on to him. And I get that Sabres fans definitely value him highly. I'd just question what you'd actually look for from a team like Minny?

That offer is 2 firsts, a player drafted 9th overall less than a year ago (essentually a 9th overal pick, which is a first) and a solid top 4 defenseman on a decent contract, who is worth a 1st easy.
Buffalo wants 4 firsts.
This offer gets Eichel. Unless Buffalo raises their price.
I'm not sure why Buffalo fans think they are getting Laffy and Kakko for him. Understand that this offer is likely about what he'd fetch in return. Don't forget the sabres have little leverage in a trade with Eichel's NMC kicking in this offseason (I think, correct me if I'm wrong, it might be next offseason) so maybe they won't even get 4 "firsts" for Eichel.

This isnt close to getting them Eichel

Hang on to Eichel? Absolutely, the majority of ACGMs trading Eichel are not Sabre fans

I don't disagree with keeping him.

Saying that the sabres have no use for Dumba is absurd. They have no top 4 right d other than Risto and other than Jokiharju no top right d prospects. Getting Dumba would solidify the right side, and allow the sabres to go through with a Risto trade.

And first round picks are very rarely dealt several years in advance. You're not going to get a 2023 first over a 2021 first, this isn't the nba.

They could have another RHD prospect as early as July 23rd, they also have Borgen and Laaksonen developing, as well as Fitzgerald who could easily end up being a 3rd pair dman in the NHL if they have the space/need for him. The last thing they need is another disgruntled RHD that wants out as well. Dumba is 26 and gone in 2 years. Id rather just resign Risto and keep Eichel or get a better package that addresses their holes at top 6 forwards

Well, I'm not saying it's perfect, but Dumba could be a reasonable target for the sabres.
Besides, this coming draft is mostly consisting of left d's, it doesn't have any top right d's outside of Clarke.

Its next offseason.

The contracts are bad/wrong for JEE, Fiala, and Kaprizov. Fiala is in his 5th NHL season now, the next contract would walk him into UFA status on July 1st. Kaprizov would be 27 on June 30 when his contract ends so can become a UFA.

Parise's buyout is awful for the team. The cap hit after year 1 hops back up to close to his normal cap hit for 3 years. The money just won't be there to sign Danault if the Fiala, JEE, and Kaprizov contracts are more realistic.

Yeah, the 4 firsts thing needs to go away. People seem to liberally interpret this as "whatever pick, in whatever draft, so long as its a first", or the even more subjective "well this player is worth 1.5 firsts by himself etc". The 4 firsts thing is as rough an estimate as possible, merely indicating that the value should be significant. Then theres fit- if we have to start from scratch with young centers like cozens, mittelstadt, and somebody like rossi- then our timeline makes bringing in dumba pointless.

Yea it gets the wild eichel plus. It’s too much.

ROFL no it does, its not close to Eichel. Dumba is not that valuable, especially not to Buffalo, and the firsts have very little value, much much less than you think they have

I think every eichel valuation comment from buffalo fans is a joke. So I’m going to poke the bear. He’s an awesome player but I think the return any sabres fan on here expects is a gross overpayment.

It’s a fair proposal. But sabres fans won’t say it’s acceptable unless it’s McDavid and a 1st. So basically ignore all of them.