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If positional need is the top priority for Calgary in the offseason

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2021-22 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 21, 2021
Published: Apr. 21, 2021
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My views on drafting Luke Hughes and him becoming Quinn Hughes 2.0 are well documented and have been critiqued ad nauseam.



I can not emphasize this enough:

Position should matter little when it comes to drafting, even if you have 20 left-handed defensemen.

If the best player available is a left-handed defenseman, you either pick him or trade the pick.

No ifs, ands or buts about it.


This is my criteria for drafting in order of importance:

1. Best Player Available (BPA)

2. Safest Player Available (SPA) or the player that is least likely to turn into a bust.

3. If there is still no clear cut favourite on the BPA or SPA, then you draft by position.


If you only draft based on positional needs, then you'll be missing out on some really good players.

Guaranteed :)


Aside from that, I decided to make a post on a plan for the offseason that places a greater emphasis on positional need, particularly when it comes to drafting.

Because I'm nice ;)

Down below, you'll see my personal list of the top draft-eligible prospects that best address Calgary's positional needs IMO.

Notice that Luke Hughes isn't in the top 3 :D

Let me know what you think of all this and I'll see you in the comments :)
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    Here are the most pressing positional needs Calgary should address at the right opportunity.

    1. A 1st line or 2nd line RW that shoots right and is either a power forward or can score goals in bunches.

    2. A mobile, shifty and fast-skating LW that shoots left, has an offensive flair in his game and can play with pace. He needs to be able to put up points and play on the 1st or 2nd line. This need will become more important if Johnny Gaudreau is going to sign with another team or be traded next year.

    3. A top 4 LD that shoots left, has the potential to be a team leader and can play well in a pairing with Andersson or Tanev if Valimaki isn't ready. This need will become more important if Mark Giordano is going to be exposed to Seattle.
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      Top targets for Calgary in the 1st round ranked in order of importance if addressing positional need is the main objective:

      1. Dylan Guenther (RW) Edmonton Oil Kings

      2. Fabian Lysell (LW/RW) Lulea

      3. William Eklund (LW) Djurgardens

      4. Luke Hughes (LD) University of Michigan

      5. Owen Power (LD) University of Michigan

      6. Simon Edvinsson (LD) Frolunda
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      1. Fehérváry, Martin
      2. McMichael, Connor
      3. Sutter, Riley
      4. 2022 1st round pick (WSH)
      5. 2023 3rd round pick (WSH)
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      Both picks are conditional.

      The 2022 1st would move to 2023 if Washington's 2022 1st is in the top 3.

      The 2023 3rd would upgrade to a 2023 2nd if Washington wins a playoff round in 2022.

      The 2023 3rd would upgrade to a 2023 1st if Washington wins the Stanley Cup in 2022.
      WSH
      1. Gaudreau, Johnny ($3,375,000 retained)
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      Trade is made if Gaudreau is not staying with the Flames long-term.

      Washington considers this trade if they lose Ovechkin in the offseason. If Ovi comes back, we can always find another team that would take Gaudreau :)

      This trade is modelled off of the Taylor Hall trade between the Devils and the Coyotes.
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      Calgary needs an adequate backup goalie for Markstrom, preferably a seasoned NHL veteran.
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      This trade is modelled off of the Devan Dubnyk, Michael Hutchinson and Keith Kinkaid trades within the last 3 years.
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      Apr. 21, 2021 at 2:40 p.m.
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      You want Vancouver to pay half the salary of your back up? Have you not learn this year that taking all Canucks rejects is not a good thing?
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      Apr. 21, 2021 at 2:44 p.m.
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      valimaki will be ready, and not only that, he will more than likely be a star, his vision is impeccable. As Hanifin moves into the 1LD role, valimaki should move up to the 2nd pair with tanev, and that mentorship will help him flourish. LD is the last thing calgary needs any help with, especially with mackey/kylington/poirier/kuznetsov in the system behind those two. Their pick should 100% be used on a forward or clarke. Also holtby sucks, I'd rather resign domingue to be our backup lol, surely there will be a better option on the open market. Zary also won't be playing next year, and pelletier will likely be the 3LW
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 3:08 p.m.
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      I can't foresee any scenario where the Capitals trade for Gaudreau, especially not for that ridiculous overpayment. He wouldn't bump Ovechkin or Mantha out of the top-6 and they have Wilson, Oshie and Sprong on the right side.
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 3:10 p.m.
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      Gaudreau doesnt get you anything close to that.... hard pass by the Capitals. Our top offensive prospect top defensive prospect and a 1st round pick....+ 3rd and c level prospect? No way for 1 year? this would be a solid return for Tkachuk ..... aim lower
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 3:15 p.m.
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      Where is this assuming we pick? Because without winning a lotto spot a lot of these names will very likely be gone. I also think you need to put more value in the center prospects
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      Apr. 21, 2021 at 3:22 p.m.
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      The Hall comp is not a good one.
      Hall was coming off an MVP season and did not have NTC.
      And Caps are giving up a lot more than Yotes did.
      Fehervary = Bahl
      Sutter = Schnarr
      But McMichael is a much, much better prospect than Merkley
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      Apr. 21, 2021 at 3:32 p.m.
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      If they have to retain 50% the Canucks probably just keep Holtby. Replacing him with another backup would probably take up most of not all of the money they saved by trading half his cap hit.
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      Apr. 21, 2021 at 3:56 p.m.
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      Quoting: BubbleDemko
      You want Vancouver to pay half the salary of your back up? Have you not learn this year that taking all Canucks rejects is not a good thing?


      That's what San Jose wanted from Minnesota with regards to Devan Dubnyk.

      And you know what?

      They got their wish.
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:00 p.m.
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      That's what San Jose wanted from Minnesota with regards to Devan Dubnyk.

      And you know what?

      They got their wish.


      Let me know when it happens
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:08 p.m.
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      Quoting: grobkenwood
      I can't foresee any scenario where the Capitals trade for Gaudreau, especially not for that ridiculous overpayment. He wouldn't bump Ovechkin or Mantha out of the top-6 and they have Wilson, Oshie and Sprong on the right side.


      Everything that you said is entirely on the assumption Ovechkin re-signs with Washington.

      A Gaudreau trade with Washington is considered if Ovechkin does not re-sign with Washington.

      If Ovi does re-sign, forget this post even happened.


      You probably thought the Anthony Mantha trade was a ridiculous overpayment as well.

      I'm here to tell you that "ridiculous overpayments" can happen again and they do.

      You might absolutely hate them but your GM is obviously willing to make them when an opportunity presents itself, as shown with the Mantha trade.


      Also, when the Coyotes traded for Taylor Hall, they overpaid.

      The Gaudreau trade is a template based on that, nothing more.


      Also, this post is more about what Calgary's positional needs are than about trading Gaudreau to Washington.

      So, calm down :/
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:10 p.m.
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      Quoting: Capitalfail67
      Gaudreau doesnt get you anything close to that.... hard pass by the Capitals. Our top offensive prospect top defensive prospect and a 1st round pick....+ 3rd and c level prospect? No way for 1 year? this would be a solid return for Tkachuk ..... aim lower


      A Gaudreau trade with Washington is considered if Ovechkin does not re-sign with Washington.

      If Ovi does re-sign, forget this post even happened.


      You probably thought the Anthony Mantha trade was a ridiculous overpayment as well.

      I'm here to tell you that "ridiculous overpayments" can happen again and they do.

      You might absolutely hate them but your GM is obviously willing to make them when an opportunity presents itself, as shown with the Mantha trade.


      Also, when the Coyotes traded for Taylor Hall, they overpaid.

      The Gaudreau trade is a template based on that, nothing more.


      Also, this post is more about what Calgary's positional needs are than about trading Gaudreau to Washington.

      So, calm down :/
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.
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      Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
      If they have to retain 50% the Canucks probably just keep Holtby. Replacing him with another backup would probably take up most of not all of the money they saved by trading half his cap hit.


      Canucks can replace Holtby with either Dipietro or Silovs.

      Minnesota replaced Dubnyk with a backup on an ELC basically, so I'm not sure why the cap hit to the Canucks would be an issue.

      Also, this post is more about Calgary's positional needs that need to be addressed in the offseason than about the Holtby trade.
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:27 p.m.
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      Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
      Where is this assuming we pick? Because without winning a lotto spot a lot of these names will very likely be gone. I also think you need to put more value in the center prospects


      This is assuming Calgary is picking 9th or 10th overall.

      The names I listed are the top players in the draft that would address the needs I just mentioned.


      I didn't really focus on the certainty of them being available or not because 9th or 10th overall is pretty high up and I made a list of 6 names.

      If you could tell me the list of prospects that Calgary would likely draft at 9th or 10th overall, I'd like to take a look at it.
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:27 p.m.
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      Gaudreau doesnt get you anything close to that.... hard pass by the Capitals. Our top offensive prospect top defensive prospect and a 1st round pick....+ 3rd and c level prospect? No way for 1 year? this would be a solid return for Tkachuk ..... aim lower


      Here for Tkachuk trades. Need anything else, Calgary? smile
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      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:32 p.m.
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      Quoting: Eli
      Here for Tkachuk trades. Need anything else, Calgary? smile


      Do you think Detroit needs anything else from the Mantha trade?

      Overpayments happen all the time, even with Washington, as you probably know.
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:35 p.m.
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      Do you think Detroit needs anything else from the Mantha trade?

      Overpayments happen all the time, even with Washington, as you probably know.


      If WSH needs a LW who can score thirty goals when and only when he plays with a center having an elite season, they can call Buffalo about a 50% retained Jeff Skinner. Probably cost them a 2nd and a 3rd, but like you said, they don't mind overpaying. smile
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      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:38 p.m.
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      Everything that you said is entirely on the assumption Ovechkin re-signs with Washington.

      A Gaudreau trade with Washington is considered if Ovechkin does not re-sign with Washington.


      I would not be surprised if there is already a contract verbally agreed upon that won't be signed until after the expansion draft which is why the Vrana/Panik over payment happened in the 1st place. They have cost certainty with Mantha and freed up almost 3 million by trading Panik. Vrana was the 2nd best goal scorer on the team, there's no way they trade him if they weren't re-signing Ovechkin.
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      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:47 p.m.
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      This is assuming Calgary is picking 9th or 10th overall.

      The names I listed are the top players in the draft that would address the needs I just mentioned.


      I didn't really focus on the certainty of them being available or not because 9th or 10th overall is pretty high up and I made a list of 6 names.

      If you could tell me the list of prospects that Calgary would likely draft at 9th or 10th overall, I'd like to take a look at it.


      At 9-10 pretty much all those names will be gone, maybe Edvinsson is still there though. I would say the likely names around there are Sillinger, Lucius, Raty, and Johnson for forwards, then Edvinsson, Clarke, and Lambos for defense
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 4:59 p.m.
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      Quoting: sensonfire
      A Gaudreau trade with Washington is considered if Ovechkin does not re-sign with Washington.

      If Ovi does re-sign, forget this post even happened.


      You probably thought the Anthony Mantha trade was a ridiculous overpayment as well.

      I'm here to tell you that "ridiculous overpayments" can happen again and they do.

      You might absolutely hate them but your GM is obviously willing to make them when an opportunity presents itself, as shown with the Mantha trade.


      Also, when the Coyotes traded for Taylor Hall, they overpaid.

      The Gaudreau trade is a template based on that, nothing more.


      Also, this post is more about what Calgary's positional needs are than about trading Gaudreau to Washington.

      So, calm down :/


      i actually thought the Mantha trade was fantastic. Capitals dumped 2.75m in cap and got a better player... Panik probably cost a 1st to dump and Vrana + 2nd = Mantha. By that logic Capitals should trade Eller for Tkachuk Andersson and Zary since "overpayments" happen lol
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 5:03 p.m.
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      Quoting: sensonfire
      Do you think Detroit needs anything else from the Mantha trade?

      Overpayments happen all the time, even with Washington, as you probably know.


      "overpayment"

      Vrana with capitals

      50.55CF% 48.66FF% 50.49 xGF%

      Mantha with Capitals

      64.77CF% 67.65FF% 64.49xgf%

      5 points in 4 games

      People who think that was an overpayment arent very smart lol
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 5:30 p.m.
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      Quoting: Capitalfail67
      i actually thought the Mantha trade was fantastic. Capitals dumped 2.75m in cap and got a better player... Panik probably cost a 1st to dump and Vrana + 2nd = Mantha. By that logic Capitals should trade Eller for Tkachuk Andersson and Zary since "overpayments" happen lol



      Dumping Panik should not cost a fresh 1st round pick by any stretch of the imagination.

      If it cost only a 1st round bust to dump Brett Connolly on the Blackhawks, then it shouldn't cost a 1st with no lottery protections to dump Panik.

      I see Carl Hagelin has regressed significantly from when he was in his prime and has the same cap hit and term as Panik.

      Would you pay the Flames a 1st to dump Hagelin as well?

      I didn't think so :P
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 5:31 p.m.
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      Quoting: Capitalfail67
      "overpayment"

      Vrana with capitals

      50.55CF% 48.66FF% 50.49 xGF%

      Mantha with Capitals

      64.77CF% 67.65FF% 64.49xgf%

      5 points in 4 games

      People who think that was an overpayment arent very smart lol


      I find it funny you're trying to rationalize a bad trade with advanced statistics that don't mean anything.

      It doesn't make you smarter than me or anybody else on Capfriendly who thought your team overpaid and got bent over in one big fleecing at the deadline.

      It must have been tough being in a tiny minority of people that thought the Caps won the trade.
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 5:42 p.m.
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      Quoting: sensonfire
      I find it funny you're trying to rationalize a bad trade with advanced statistics that don't mean anything.

      It doesn't make you smarter than me or anybody else on Capfriendly who thought your team overpaid and got bent over in one big fleecing at the deadline.

      It must have been tough being in a tiny minority of people that thought the Caps won the trade.


      you might not have the intelligence to understand what the stats represents but long story short Mantha plays a better 200 foot game. Mantha gives up way less scoring opportunities while being able to produce a similar amount of points. if you cant understand that then its not my fault. Capitals also gained cap space that is going to be necessary to resign Ovi this summer. to say Washington lost this trade is premature and idiotic. What if they win the cup this year and Mantha scores 30points did they "overpay"? trying to rationalize you opinion on this site based off other peoples opinion is hilarious bc 90% of the people on here arent bright lol.... 2 years ago Tom wilson was a 4th liner... now those same people are trading Nylander for him lol
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 5:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: Alfie11
      valimaki will be ready, and not only that, he will more than likely be a star, his vision is impeccable. As Hanifin moves into the 1LD role, valimaki should move up to the 2nd pair with tanev, and that mentorship will help him flourish. LD is the last thing calgary needs any help with, especially with mackey/kylington/poirier/kuznetsov in the system behind those two. Their pick should 100% be used on a forward or clarke. Also holtby sucks, I'd rather resign domingue to be our backup lol, surely there will be a better option on the open market. Zary also won't be playing next year, and pelletier will likely be the 3LW


      Mackey, Kylington and Poirier are not ready to play LD in the NHL full-time.

      Only Kuznetsov might but he will need at least a couple of years in the AHL and even him playing in the NHL full-time is a bit of a stretch.



      Giordano will very likely be picked up in expansion by Seattle and that will leave a huge hole.

      LD is not the "last thing" Calgary will need help with.

      It will be one of the first.


      Also, Pelletier likely won't be our 3LW and it will be even less likely if Gaudreau is still here next season.
      Apr. 21, 2021 at 6:02 p.m.
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      Quoting: Capitalfail67
      you might not have the intelligence to understand what the stats represents but long story short Mantha plays a better 200 foot game. Mantha gives up way less scoring opportunities while being able to produce a similar amount of points. if you cant understand that then its not my fault. Capitals also gained cap space that is going to be necessary to resign Ovi this summer. to say Washington lost this trade is premature and idiotic. What if they win the cup this year and Mantha scores 30points did they "overpay"? trying to rationalize you opinion on this site based off other peoples opinion is hilarious bc 90% of the people on here arent bright lol.... 2 years ago Tom wilson was a 4th liner... now those same people are trading Nylander for him lol


      Since you're still replying to my comments on a site where, according to you, "90% of the people on here aren't bright", then it says a lot more about your intelligence than it does about mine.

      If you can't understand that, then it's not my fault.


      Also, weren't you the guy that said "HEY! WTF man .... didnt have to bring that up also....this was bad enough" in reference to the Mantha trade?

      It was a response to a comment by Mondo about Yzerman bending your team over in the Stanley Cup final and then decades later, doing the same thing in the Mantha trade.

      April 12th, 4:22 PM "Who won the trade?"

      https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/440138/2


      But, please, try again to insult my intelligence.

      So far, it's failed miserably.
       
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