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Initial Creation Date: Apr. 22, 2021
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Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:36 a.m.
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Quoting: SheaWeber6
I did, closely. He was not as bad as he is right now but he was still far, far, far from being a premier defenseman


Maybe we have different definitions of premier players?
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:39 a.m.
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
Maybe we have different definitions of premier players?


What is yours ? Is it 0.8 WAR ?
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:39 a.m.
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Which has it's benefits, it's what happens at each end of the ice that worries me.


Yup, which is maybe a coaching mistake. This is going to sound absurd but the Matthews line has not moved through the neutral zone very well at all. With all eyes on marner and Matthews maybe Engvall could be of better use there.

Personally I think you put the zip line back together. Use kerfoot on the 4th line to add speed.
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:39 a.m.
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What is he good at exactly? He's good at not being able to defend though.


Playing hockey.
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:40 a.m.
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Quoting: coga16
his underlying numbers have been really bad this year. Its a fair take. A bit harsh but he hasnt but his play isnt living up to his Rep right now


It’s not a fair take.

If this was titled, “players having a down year,” it would be a fair take. It isn’t. It’s worst player on the team.
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:42 a.m.
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Quoting: SheaWeber6
What is yours ? Is it 0.8 WAR ?


I'm not much of an analytics person. I'm more of a TOI believer, playing against opposition top lines, and intangibles. Analytics are great for certain things, however they also bolster some of the worst players in the NHL.
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:43 a.m.
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Playing hockey.


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It’s not a fair take.

If this was titled, “players having a down year,” it would be a fair take. It isn’t. It’s worst player on the team.


There goes a "hockey watcher" who doesn't have any clue about underlying stats and is too stubborn to learn about them.
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Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.
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I like how at the deadline, NSH traded for, now, the worst player on their team.
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Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.
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Idk if he’s played 300 minutes but Leo Komorav


Zajac is worse than komarov

Edit: my bad didn’t realize 300 min lol
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
I'm not much of an analytics person. I'm more of a TOI believer, playing against opposition top lines, and intangibles. Analytics are great for certain things, however they also bolster some of the worst players in the NHL.


Who do they bolster? If you base it on TOI, I assume Alex Goligoski is also a top defenseman. You have to consider how effective the player is in the amount of time he plays.
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: GenXHockey
Yup, which is maybe a coaching mistake. This is going to sound absurd but the Matthews line has not moved through the neutral zone very well at all. With all eyes on marner and Matthews maybe Engvall could be of better use there.

Personally I think you put the zip line back together. Use kerfoot on the 4th line to add speed.


I don't think Engvall has the hockey sense to be of any use to M & M in the offensive zone.

He's not the type of player that can continually make the nice quick little touches that are necessary when paired with them.

And if the other team can more or less ignore him as a threat, then M & M are easier to shutdown.
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:45 a.m.
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Quoting: Barilko14
I don't think Engvall has the hockey sense to be of any use to M & M in the offensive zone.

He's not the type of player that can continually make the nice quick little touches that are necessary when paired with them.

And if the other team can more or less ignore him as a threat, then M & M are easier to shutdown.


He's a better shooter than Zach Hyman though.
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:46 a.m.
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Quoting: SheaWeber6
Who do they bolster? If you base it on TOI, I assume Alex Goligoski is also a top defenseman. You have to consider how effective the player is in the amount of time he plays.


Joe Thornton this year.
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Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:46 a.m.
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What is yours ? Is it 0.8 WAR ?


No way Dermott has the worst WAR on Leafs, so why did he make your list?
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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I did, closely. He was not as bad as he is right now but he was still far, far, far from being a premier defenseman


Totally disagree. Seth Jones was amazing in the playoffs and he's a wonderful player. I just think trying to dissect anything about Columbus right now is difficult. Nothing is going right for them. The coach will be changed next year obviously and things will change.
I'm sure Seth jones is also tired of seeing all the departures: Foligno, Dubois, Anderson, panarin, Duchesne, Babrovski....it's slowly become a dumpster fire.
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Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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Quoting: SheaWeber6
There goes a "hockey watcher" who doesn't have any clue about underlying stats and is too stubborn to learn about them.


I’m just a guy with a brain who’s willing to have my own opinions about things.

If i ever want to know what you think, I’ll look it up on a website. Just another brick in the wall.

Oh, and by all means, I’m sure you know more than torts. I’m sure you know more than the GM that will give jones a long term 7+ mill deal. I’m sure you’re smarter than everyone who’s paid to evaluate players for NHL teams. If it was just as easy as reading your charts, don’t you think this league would look a lot different?

Anyway, tell me what your favorite website is for charts and i can just put you on ignore. I can get your opinion on that site if I’m craving it.
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Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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You're kidding right. Did you even watch him last year?


I watched him get caved in his own end. Doesn’t generate quality scoring chances either
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.
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He's a better shooter than Zach Hyman though.


Yep, and he sure has put that "shooting talent" to good use!
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.
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I’m just a guy with a brain who’s willing to have my own opinions about things.

If i ever want to know what you think, I’ll look it up on a website. Just another brick in the wall.

Oh, and by all means, I’m sure you know more than torts. I’m sure you know more than the GM that will give jones a long term 7+ mill deal. I’m sure you’re smarter than everyone who’s paid to evaluate players for NHL teams. If it was just as easy as reading your charts, don’t you think this league would look a lot different?

Anyway, tell me what your favorite website is for charts and i can just put you on ignore. I can get your opinion on that site if I’m craving it.




“I’m sure you know more than the GM that will give Jones a long term 7+ deal” 😂😂😂 as if GM’s don’t give out albatross contracts every year in free agency...
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:50 a.m.
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It’s not a fair take.

If this was titled, “players having a down year,” it would be a fair take. It isn’t. It’s worst player on the team.


analytical he is one of the worst players on the CBJ, the team has better results with him off the ice. Thats why its a fair take, harsh but there is some merit behind it
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Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:50 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles777
Zajac is worse than komarov

Edit: my bad didn’t realize 300 min lol


I don’t think Zajac is that bad
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:52 a.m.
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I don’t think Zajac is that bad


He’s worse than komarov. Zajac can win faceoffs , that’s it. He has the worst offensive impact among isles forwards right now and he’s not even good defensively
Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:53 a.m.
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analytical he is one of the worst players on the CBJ, the team has better results with him off the ice. Thats why its a fair take, harsh but there is some merit behind it


Can we agree that the measure of a players caliber is beyond analytics?
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Apr. 22, 2021 at 11:59 a.m.
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
Can we agree that the measure of a players caliber is beyond analytics?


No one soley looks at analytics alone to do player Evals, its a tool to measure variables of a players game, and wihtout context they are meaningless.

However the data does present itself within the context of the season, that Jones is hurting the Blue Jackets when he is on the ice, and that is due to over usage, He is the teams icetime leader in all situations. Poor play, poor usage, poor deployment due to coaching.

The guy who plays the most on the roster and is brining negative impacts to the teams success. And its a huge gap in icetime, they play Jones way way too much for how poorly he is struggling
Apr. 22, 2021 at 12:00 p.m.
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
Can we agree that the measure of a players caliber is beyond analytics?


Yes but I don't know how you can justify Seth Jones is a great D but go ahead
 
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